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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Actually, you are 100% wrong there.... Lowes is a BUSINESS property, and as such, has invited the PUBLIC onto their property.... Yes, even a business can ask anyone they want to leave, that is true... But answer us this little question: Can Lowes ask someone to leave because of the color of their skin? Or because of their religion? (to name just a few things) Do you think if they did that they would not be liable to fines/court judgments for doing so? There are a lot of differences between Business property and Private property, perhaps you just need to think a little deeper on this subject, yes?
    I live in Texas and YES a business property IS STILL PRIVATE PROPERTY! It belongs to that particular business, Yes the public is invited and their business is welcomed, BUT if the customer is asked to leave by the owner and/or manager of the business then that person is required by LAW to leave or they will be trespassing NO MATTER WHAT STATE YOUR IN! Research that and we are not talking about COLOR OR RELIGION HERE which are protected to a certain extent by law. We are talking about carrying a weapon where one is not welcomed! Just don't give them your business and both parties are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el maestro View Post
    I live in Texas and YES a business property IS STILL PRIVATE PROPERTY! It belongs to that particular business, Yes the public is invited and their business is welcomed, BUT if the customer is asked to leave by the owner and/or manager of the business then that person is required by LAW to leave or they will be trespassing NO MATTER WHAT STATE YOUR IN! Research that and we are not talking about COLOR OR RELIGION HERE which are protected to a certain extent by law. We are talking about carrying a weapon where one is not welcomed! Just don't give them your business and both parties are happy.
    Perhaps you can provide me/us proof that someone LOOSES their constitutional rights by going ONTO PROPERTY THEY WERE INVITED ONTO.......

    p.s. maybe you can explain your statement that BUSINESS property is PRIVATE property while you are at it.... Yes, it is Privately owned.... but it is BUSINESS PROPERTY.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscator View Post
    Apparently you've failed to comprehend that I specifically addressed that issue in my post. The courts have diminished private property rights by eliminating the right to discriminate. Further, in this scenario, not everyone has his constitutional rights intact - the business owner does not.
    You're right on one count: I don't like it. I think it diminishes our individual freedoms. That was the impetus for the formation of this country. I'm fine with you disagreeing with me, but can you get off your high horse to do so?
    By INVITING the public ONTO your property, you have BY DEFAULT given up some of your own property rights (you are the one inviting them, remember?) Dont like it? do as I suggested..... open a PRIVATE CLUB..... If you dont like that REALITY, then dont open a business.... Simple as that.....


    BTW.... you do not have the right or the power to make me get off of whatever horse I wish to be on......

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    Look - I EXPLICITLY stated that I REALIZE the courts have decided that the business owners have diminished rights. I'm quite certain that I was clear about that. There's no disagreement there. The business owner has lost the right to discriminate. I think that's a pretty important right - to negate that right is the height of political correctness. Your comments Axeanda45, sound politically correct

    AGAIN - I simply disagree with your opinion. Let's extrapolate a little bit and see how you like it: Let's say you invite your neighbor onto your property (whether you own or rent doesn't matter, because either way gives you control over that property), and he shows up and brings his cat, which he's hidden in his coat. You hate cats (remember, this is all hypothetical). Should the government (other citizens/voters) get to tell you that since you've invited your neighbor, you have to accept his cat and you cannot ask him to leave until he wants to? If you find that scenario disagreeable, how can you think it's okay for the government to tell a business owner he can't discriminate against whomever he wants (like gun owners)? If you think that scenario is perfectly acceptable, then I think you're a socialist piece of **** who deserves to starve to death with the North Koreans.

    Whether you agree with a business owner's policies shouldn't matter a bit. If you don't like them (such as Lowes anti-gun policies), then go somewhere else. By all means, express your views to Lowes, so they know the affects of their policies. But to fall back on the government to assist you in forcing Lowes to follow your terms - that is a direct contradiction to our civil rights.

    As for your recommendation to open a private club or not open a business: that's exactly what's happening in California and several other states who clearly side with your opinions. People aren't opening businesses. Perhaps you're a member of the California legislature. Their big success is driving business out of the state. Congratulations and thanks for the loss of jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    BTW.... you do not have the right or the power to make me get off of whatever horse I wish to be on......
    Seems a silly statement to tell anyone on a gun-owners' forum that he doesn't have the power to make you get off your high-horse. The higher the horse, the bigger the target...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piscator View Post
    Seems a silly statement to tell anyone on a gun-owners' forum that he doesn't have the power to make you get off your high-horse. The higher the horse, the bigger the target...

    Now thats funny right there...

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    Pissy,
    I NEVER said the Business owner couldnt ask someone to leave......or that he couldnt press charges if they wouldnt leave.... I simply stated the FACT that if you invite the PUBLIC onto your BUSINESS property, you CAN NOT forbid them from exercising their Constitutional rights... (for this forum, that would mean you would have NO LEGAL RIGHT/POWER to restrict the 2nd Amendment Rights of your patrons) Are there laws that state otherwise? Of course there are. Are those "laws" actually Constitutional? NO

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    This WHOLE argument would be non-existent if the F-ing Government had never UNCONSTITUTIONALLY infringed on that WHICH SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Perhaps you can provide me/us proof that someone LOOSES their constitutional rights by going ONTO PROPERTY THEY WERE INVITED ONTO.......

    p.s. maybe you can explain your statement that BUSINESS property is PRIVATE property while you are at it.... Yes, it is Privately owned.... but it is BUSINESS PROPERTY.....
    no one stated you would loose your constitutional right. Here in Texas they are considered private property or else the store manager could not ask you leave a public place. Only the police would be able do that. I don't like it but a business can ask you to leave and believe you me that they will not ask you to leave for any reason that will get them in trouble. It opens them up for a lawsuit. You try suing them for asking you to leave because they saw a gun on you. See how far that goes. Here in Texas we carry concealed and in the classes they tell you or you can ask that if a business owner sees your gun, better be accidental, they have the right to ask you to leave. If you don't you will be arrested. If your smart you leave because then they can nail you for "brandishing a gun" even if accidental. Oh! but if that same business owner's life is being threatened and you take out your piece to defend him it would change his philosphy real quick!
    Yes, it is private but open to the public.

    That allows law enforcement to enforce laws on the property, but it also allows the owner to refuse service and tell someone to leave.

    Additional: Yes, you can ask anyone, including a cop, to leave. However, if he is on official business requiring him to be on the property, he can remain even after being asked to leave.

    For example, if he is running radar out of your parking lot you can tell him to leave. If he is investigating a crime that happened in the store, he is under no obligation to leave as long as he remains on official business.
    Source(s):
    Law enforcement since 1991
    Try these:
    Answers.com - Is it considered trespassing on private property if there are two businesses on that property

    Property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    and please let us know if you still do not understand that lowe's is private property and welcomes the public until the welcome is rescinded. Oh! excuse me, business property. Better yet, what state do you live in? I am pretty sure you have a District attorney's office there. Call them up and ask them if the business property owner/management has the right to ask you to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el maestro View Post
    no one stated you would loose your constitutional right. Here in Texas they are considered private property or else the store manager could not ask you leave a public place.Bull, it is NOT a public place, it is a BUSINESS... A public place is an area/location that is PUBLICLY OWNED, like a city park. Only the police would be able do that. You are funny! You better quit listening to your drinking buddies and actually read the laws and such before offering any more opinions. I don't like it but a business can ask you to leave and believe you me that they will not ask you to leave for any reason that will get them in trouble..It opens them up for a lawsuit.(so it never happens, ever, according to you, they NEVER mistakenly do something that they can be sued for....) You try suing them for asking you to leave because they saw a gun on you. See how far that goes.(WOW, where did that ever get said/stated?) Here in Texas we carry concealed and in the classes ( many firearm instructors teach their opinion as the law, instead of the actual laws... ever think about that?) they tell you or you can ask that if a business owner sees your gun, better be accidental, they have the right to ask you to leave. (NEVER, EVER SAID THEY DIDNT HAVE THAT RIGHT, if you want to argue about something, make sure the person said it before you try to refute it) If you don't you will be arrested. If your smart you leave because then they can nail you for "brandishing a gun" even if accidental. Oh! but if that same business owner's life is being threatened and you take out your piece to defend him it would change his philosphy real quick!
    Yes, it is private but open to the public. No, it is a BUSINESS that has invited the PUBLIC.

    That allows law enforcement to enforce laws on the property, but it also allows the owner to refuse service and tell someone to leave.

    Additional: Yes, you can ask anyone, including a cop, to leave. However, if he is on official business requiring him to be on the property, he can remain even after being asked to leave. And a cop has what to do with this discussion?

    For example, if he is running radar out of your parking lot you can tell him to leave. If he is investigating a crime that happened in the store, he is under no obligation to leave as long as he remains on official business.
    Source(s):
    Law enforcement since 1991
    Try these:
    Answers.com - Is it considered trespassing on private property if there are two businesses on that property

    Property - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Both of those are irrelevant/not valid examples of the issue at hand, and have been known to be unreliable.....

    and please let us know if you still do not understand that lowe's is private property and welcomes the public until the welcome is rescinded. Oh! excuse me, business property. (wow, you said/typed the word, but you still have no concept what it means, the proof is all you have written so far...) the Better yet, what state do you live in? Again, irrelevant.. I am pretty sure you have a District attorney's office there. Call them up and ask them if the business property owner/management has the right to ask you to leave.Dude, I NEVER SAID THEY DIDNT HAVE THAT RIGHT.
    This ENTIRE quoted post of yours is based on A FALSE IDEA IN YOUR HEAD that I said something that I NEVER SAID.....

    Perhaps you can go back and re-read this thread, and try again....

    Everyone..... Do I constantly write so that it cant be understood? I always seem to get people like this dude that totally misunderstands/puts words into my posts that ARENT there....

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