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    Quote Originally Posted by S&WM&P40 View Post
    I then stated how it's funny that a BANK will allow law abiding citizens to exercise their second Amendment rights, while your company will not. He had no reply to that!
    Let me suggest a better approach, because most business owners aren't going to be impressed or swayed by the 2nd amendment rights assertion.

    I would approach them on the convenience issue. Try to convince them that their policy makes it highly inconvenientfor people who are lawfully armed to partronize their business, and such people, like yourself, would probably not go back to their vehicles to disarm and secure their firearms. instead they would just leave and look for a competing business that didn't cause such an inconvenience.

    Clamoring about second amendment rights and political issues won't get very far with the business owner. In fact, they might have the opposite effect you are hoping for, and lead the business owner into thinking that the you are more concerned with the second amendment issues than you are with buying something from his store.

    So stay focused on the practical rather than the political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    nogods is a perenial devil's advocate. You need to read his posts with a grain of salt.
    Not saying that in this case he does not have a point.

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Let me suggest a better approach, because most business owners aren't going to be impressed or swayed by the 2nd amendment rights assertion.

    I would approach them on the convenience issue. Try to convince them that their policy makes it highly inconvenientfor people who are lawfully armed to partronize their business, and such people, like yourself, would probably not go back to their vehicles to disarm and secure their firearms. instead they would just leave and look for a competing business that didn't cause such an inconvenience.

    Clamoring about second amendment rights and political issues won't get very far with the business owner. In fact, they might have the opposite effect you are hoping for, and lead the business owner into thinking that the you are more concerned with the second amendment issues than you are with buying something from his store.

    So stay focused on the practical rather than the political issues.
    Lets see, how about no. Making them see the affect that denying a federally protected right will have on their business. Works a hell of a lot better. Hit them in the wallet and they start to change their minds. Bad press, protests, boycotts all lead to LOSS OF SALES.

    When the day comes that we have another Lubys massacre, only this time the law allowed them to carry firearms. But the Owner had the place posted, I'm going to sit back and watch the lawsuits.

    Oh don't forget to add your store to the list of anti stores, so we can all stay clear of that death trap.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    I'm a business owner and a gun owner. I don't want people I don't know carrying their weapons on my property.

    I don't have much practical control over that because in NYS all have to carry concealed. So I usually don't know whether or not someone is armed.

    But if I become aware that someone is carrying on my property without my permission I will have a polite but stern conversation with them.
    Dude, are you aware by that being your mindset you agreeing with the Anti's... seriously! Even the Anti's TYPICALLY don't have an issue with owning guns for hunting or home protection, BUT they don't want people to be able to carry them around them. Because guns= danger to them. You should know thats not true and if somebody were carrying for the wrong reason you wouldn't know it until it was too late! Were supposed to be promoting our rights, and your one of the guys taking them away. The "Guns are ok as long as their mine" mindset doesn't work. Being in NYS you should know firsthand how screwed up it is when people screw with your rights. It's your business and your right to do whatever you want, but you know the old saying. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.

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    Oh my God, HE went to Jareds!
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    Real simple, Jared's does not allow weapons concealed or not. So I won't shop there. There are plenty of businesses in NH who don't mind law abiding citizens carrying guns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    I'm a business owner and a gun owner. I don't want people I don't know carrying their weapons on my property.

    I don't have much practical control over that because in NYS all have to carry concealed. So I usually don't know whether or not someone is armed.

    But if I become aware that someone is carrying on my property without my permission I will have a polite but stern conversation with them.
    I concur. No one may enter my home or business armed. I will maintain the edge in those places and as the property owner do not have to recognize their second amendment rights. It's not a public place, it's my property. In my home, for all but a few close friends it's a definite NO! I'll make you leave or go put it in the car. Being in the firearm instruction business there is always the chance that someone will enter with ill-intent. I understand that a sign or policy won't deter them. I also understand that a concealed handgun is hard to spot. But most perps will tell you of their bad intentions if you watch and listen carefully. Many times it's visible in their manner. Since I don't allow guns in live classes, I politely request students to comply with our wishes. If they refuse then I cannot provide training as they pose a safety risk. Classroom exercises are conducted with a "blue" gun. Once on the range they may carry their gun.

    The NRA supports this position. As an instructor, I am required to ensure no person enters my classroom with ammunition. It's a rule heavily emphasized by the NRA during instructor training. So does this mean the NRA is anti-second amendment? Of course not. It's a safety issue.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    I concur. No one may enter my home or business armed. I will maintain the edge in those places and as the property owner do not have to recognize their second amendment rights. It's not a public place, it's my property. In my home, for all but a few close friends it's a definite NO! I'll make you leave or go put it in the car. Being in the firearm instruction business there is always the chance that someone will enter with ill-intent. I understand that a sign or policy won't deter them. I also understand that a concealed handgun is hard to spot. But most perps will tell you of their bad intentions if you watch and listen carefully. Many times it's visible in their manner. Since I don't allow guns in live classes, I politely request students to comply with our wishes. If they refuse then I cannot provide training as they pose a safety risk. Classroom exercises are conducted with a "blue" gun. Once on the range they may carry their gun.
    I'm not going to touch the banning of guns in your home, Your home is your castle and your rules are the law period. BUT I have a 2 part comment on the rest. Why would you expect anybody to "allow" you to exercise your 2a rights when you yourself practice not respecting the rights of others? Yes a business is yours but if you open your business to the public your should open yourself to the publics rights. WITH THAT BEING SAID.....YOUR business is somewhat of an exception to the rule as everybody in your classroom is NOT properly trained in the safe operation of firearms (yet). I agree with that fact and agree 100% with not allowing them to bring ammo into your classroom, in that particular situation you'd definitely be asking for trouble. I'm going to assume you have a store? sell accessories, etc. Do you also ban permit holders from making purchases from you while armed?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    gee, imagine that, a jewelery store owner who doesn't want people he doesn't don't know carrying firearms into the store.
    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Not saying that in this case he does not have a point.
    I must disagree with you. His point is foolish, in my opinion. A company policy and/or a sign is only going to keep the law abiding citizens from bringing guns into the store. Just exactly what does that accomplish? Regardless of whether it is a toothbrush store or a gold bullion store, it accomplishes the exact same thing. It creates a false sense of comfort for those dumb enough to believe that their policy or their sign will keep criminals from using a gun to rob them.

    Personally, I purchased my wife's engangement/wedding set and my wedding ring while open carrying. None of the jewelry stores I visited while shopping for them showed any concern over the gun on my belt.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Money talks. If you do not like me carrying my gun I can and will carry my money to another store.

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