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  1. #11
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    I think this weekend I'll take it coyote hunting and mark everywhere I go in the woods and cornfields that have been good hunting. (To warn the libs about my dangerous guns.)

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    Outrage of the Week: New App Targets Gun Owners

    If it worked on iPhones I'd tag every single bldg. in my patrol district and house in my neighborhood too.

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    For all the good it will do, understanding that this app has pretty much been declared dead by its author, I sent the following email to him. His name, BTW, is Brett Stalbaum. His email address at UCSD (University of Cali San Diego) can be obtained on line.

    Sir,

    I read your statement in the aftermath of seeing your project "...hacked out of practical existence…" in which you make the claim, "There is no right under the Constitution to anonymous gun ownership."

    This statement is patently false.

    The Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution clearly states,

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
    We have the right to privacy ("to be secure") in our own homes. This enumerated right includes not only our bodies, homes and papers, but our belongings ("effects") as well. A firearm is but one of our effects. So while you contend that the Constitution provides no "anonymous gun ownership," the Fourth Amendment clearly declares this to be a false statement. The only way in which we can be forced to declare the existence of our effects, according to the Fourth Amendment, is under color of law based upon a legally-executed warrant.

    Your application does not rise to the level required by the Constitution.

    Second, the Sixth Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees the accused (understanding that this applies most directly to a criminal prosecution) the right to confront his/her accuser(s):

    "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."
    Your application would have allowed the poster of an accusation to remain anonymous, while opening the owner of the firearm to public scrutiny. You have established the presumption that failure to maintain what YOU consider to be common sense firearm safety practices rises to the level of criminality. This is a patent violation of the Sixth Amendment right to confront one's accuser. You would allow an anonymous person, without any objective proof of an actual crime or even an act of negligence, to accuse one who legally owns a firearm and keeps it in the privacy of their own home of such negligence or criminality. Again, your project is without any basis in the US Constitution; on the contrary, it violates the most basic protections enumerated under the Constitution.

    Furthermore, your application would have been prone to massive abuse by those who have the agenda of ridding our country of firearms altogether. Yes, you provided a nice drop-down menu listing those conditions you consider to be dangerous, but someone who is determined to "out" firearms owners is not going to be constrained by such things. You open up people who have been so identified to possible theft, harassment, or worse, death.

    Finally, your true design is clearly stated for all to see: "…to draw out earnest expressions from the radical anti-gun-safety community…" Of course, what constitutes an "earnest expression" from an "anti-gun-safety" "radical" is dictated by your own arbitrary definitions. It is apparent that anyone who disagrees with your position on this issue must be an anti-gun-safety radical.

    Although you will no doubt lump me in with the rest of those whom you consider to be anti-gun-safety radicals, as a Constitutional constructionist I am glad to see your unConstitutional application hacked into non-existence.

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    If this app calls me dangerous, they better be able to prove it, it will be costly in court.

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    Outrage of the Week: New App Targets Gun Owners

    Good message but I don't think your 6th amendment argument holds up. It doesn't apply "most directly" to criminal accusations, it applies strictly to criminal accusations. I could accuse you anonymously on this forum as being from Mars, which wouldn't be illegal or unconstitutional.

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    Hey, let's start tagging all posted no-gun businesses on the app!
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    ezkl2230 Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by telpinaro View Post
    Hey, let's start tagging all posted no-gun businesses on the app!
    The app is dead. It was evidently hacked out of existence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezkl2230 View Post
    The app is dead. It was evidently hacked out of existence!
    Nice. Still would have been fun, though!
    Modern Whig
    "Government is not meant to burden Liberty but rather to secure it." -T.J. O'Hara

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare45 View Post
    If this app calls me dangerous, they better be able to prove it, it will be costly in court.
    From your posts, I didn't think there was any question. Just sayin' :-)
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    Gun control is NOT about guns, it's about CONTROL.

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    I looked for it earlier and couldn't find it either.

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