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    Starbucks?

    So it is with deep regret that Starbucks is added to the list.

    Although it's written as a request, not a ban, it's clearly against open carry rights.

    He calls it a balancing act. Well it's not balanced, once one person's rights are trampled to appease someone's feelings.

    Also, who were the real trouble makers here? People simply walking around with holstered firearms drinking coffee? Or anti-2nd Amendment activists confronting customers and employees? There wouldn't even be "Appreciation Days" were it not for all the anti's having boycotts.

    Yet, who is being asked to do what? And read the comments, clearly the anti's feel a victory here.

    An Open Letter from Howard Schultz, ceo of Starbucks Coffee Company | Starbucks Coffee Company
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  3. I've been pondering the whole open carry argument for a long time. Honestly, I think the whole problem is the fact that the general public isn't used to people carrying guns anymore. Especially with all the shootings going on. So, although we have a right to practice it, there are way more people that don't understand it. That's why I don't open carry. I think it just freaks people out, and you're not going to ease their minds until it becomes so common that they don't think about it anymore. Until that time, I can't disagree with a business person just trying to conduct business without problems. The goal of any business is to make money. If something is getting in the way of that, or causing a major disruption during the course of conducting business, it's in their best interest to alleviate the problem. I can't disagree with that thought process.

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    Starbucks is private property. I too, control access to my private property. As it should be. Taking a dump on a public sidewalk isn't the way to lobby for more public restrooms.
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    Deviousness of Starbucks new policy

    A lot of people are missing the deviousness of Starbucks statement. Starbucks has pretty much disavowed any chance of being portrayed as "the bad guy" on this. Let's say someone brings a firearm into Starbucks... who's the bad guy? Is it Starbucks? No, not Starbucks....why? Because Starbucks didn't PROHIBIT firearms in their stores. Starbucks would never do that. They just politely asked the customer not to bring his gun into their store. But that guy with the gun - look at how inconsiderate he is! Starbucks was so nice just to politely ask him not to bring his gun into the store, but he won't listen to polite a polite request not to.

    What is the anti-gun crowd going to do with that? "SEE! LOOK! We told you all about those pro-gun guys! They won't listen to polite requests! See how dangerous they are?!? It's not enough to just ask them to leave their guns outside, we must have laws to make them leave their guns outside! Poor, poor Starbucks! Those gun guys just won't respect their polite requests!"

    I would rather Starbucks "manned up" and just posted their stores and prohibited firearms instead of taking the easy way out and pushing any and all bad publicity onto the pro-gun side.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    A lot of people are missing the deviousness of Starbucks statement. Starbucks has pretty much disavowed any chance of being portrayed as "the bad guy" on this. Let's say someone brings a firearm into Starbucks... who's the bad guy? Is it Starbucks? No, not Starbucks....why? Because Starbucks didn't PROHIBIT firearms in their stores. Starbucks would never do that. They just politely asked the customer not to bring his gun into their store. But that guy with the gun - look at how inconsiderate he is! Starbucks was so nice just to politely ask him not to bring his gun into the store, but he won't listen to polite a polite request not to.

    What is the anti-gun crowd going to do with that? "SEE! LOOK! We told you all about those pro-gun guys! They won't listen to polite requests! See how dangerous they are?!? It's not enough to just ask them to leave their guns outside, we must have laws to make them leave their guns outside! Poor, poor Starbucks! Those gun guys just won't respect their polite requests!"

    I would rather Starbucks "manned up" and just posted their stores and prohibited firearms instead of taking the easy way out and pushing any and all bad publicity onto the pro-gun side.
    I just read this today and thought the same thing. VERY carefully worded. But for Starbucks there is 2 issues for them to look at and really, they're a business that needs to profit. At the end of the day as you said, if someone continues to openly carry and go grab a coffee, the negative attitude immediately goes to the law abiding citizen. But that much negative plublicity for standing up for gun owners from the gun control groups that they had to release a statement like this? They are a multi gazillion dollar company...I suppose if we continue to have these mass shootings, the pendulum is only going to swing in the favor of more gun control and we all know how THAT's been SOOO effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    they're a business that needs to profit.
    It was a bad business decision as well... many Starbucks stores reported doing record business on the days that the anti-gun groups advertised their boycotts, because of the pro-gun groups' support during those days.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    It was a bad business decision as well... many Starbucks stores reported doing record business on the days that the anti-gun groups advertised their boycotts, because of the pro-gun groups' support during those days.
    SMH....

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    I don't see any deviousness or cleverness at all. The company claims to support people exercising 2A, but not on Starbucks property. NIMBYism at its best.
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    It's a request, ignore it or if you wish to honor it, shop at another store.

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    rayporsche Guest
    Yes ignore it and while you are at it just make sure to contact them

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