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  1. Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Bad policy. But, he had the option of leaving the job rather than complying with the policy. What he didn't have was the right to ignore the policy while remaining employed.

    I wouldn't hire a guy like that because I wouldn't know what policies he would and would not follow. Simply put, he can't be trusted because he doesn't have the integrity to either comply or openly confront the policy.

    When he grows up and owns a gas station he can then set his own policy.
    it is probably a good thing he didn't obey this policy, he probably would be dead now. the old saying of "being judged by 12 and not carried by 6", takes on a real meaning. personally i own a few businesses and have better sense then to have this policy.

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  3. This story does remind me of the auto store, in VA beach (maybe?) that fired an employee that went to his truck, got his gun, and then scared off the robber that had his boss and fellow employee hostage. they fired him because he brought a firearm to the store. VCDL had a rally for him at a couple of stores in the area

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Bad policy. But, he had the option of leaving the job rather than complying with the policy. What he didn't have was the right to ignore the policy while remaining employed.

    I wouldn't hire a guy like that because I wouldn't know what policies he would and would not follow. Simply put, he can't be trusted because he doesn't have the integrity to either comply or openly confront the policy.

    When he grows up and owns a gas station he can then set his own policy.
    If push came to shove and any employee was faced with the decision of "save yourself or save the company", which side do you think most people would fall on? This employee was defended heartily by the store manager and the district manager. Obviously, he was a worker with integrity. He also gave more years to a job than most people do. Ten years working for a gas station is an extremely long tenure, also adding to his integrity. He made a moral decision: was he and his family that he takes care of more important than some faceless executives policy that says he is unable to defend himself during the night shift at a gas station where recently (notice the article said recently) there was a rise in robberies. Is it not possible that his decision to carry to work was sparked by these recent turn of events? The article doesn't delve into when he started to carry to work.

    He chose to be protected while he still faithfully executed the duties of his job. In my opinion this is exactly the type of guy I would hire, a person who understands the duties he is to perform but still knows how to think for himself.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
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    Bad policy for sure. No one, and I mean no one will deny me my right to self defense. He is not in any legal trouble, he just lost his job, and who would want a job, that the employer doesn`t care if you can go home at the end of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rakes View Post
    there are no property rights in America. definitely no Business property rights. but the laws are on the side of the company. i do wonder if he could sue for endangerment? i would doubt it
    Actually, property rights pre-empt a CPL and just about everything else short of a LEO under color of law. And the fact that the law is on the side of the company, as you said, means that the company has the right to determine whether they will allow you to defend themselves on their property.

    This is very much like the Walgreens in Benton Harbor, MI, a few years ago, in which the employees were manhandled by two armed bad guys who attempted to rob the place. One bad guy jumped over the pharmacy counter, firing as he did so. The pharmacist pulled out his .38 and returned fire. He was fired because Walgreens has a non-escalation policy that bans carry on their properties. He was just supposed to let himself get beat up and possibly shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Rakes View Post
    it is probably a good thing he didn't obey this policy, he probably would be dead now. the old saying of "being judged by 12 and not carried by 6", takes on a real meaning. personally i own a few businesses and have better sense then to have this policy.
    If he had any integrity he would never have been in that situation because he either would have left his job or openly lobbied for a change in the policy.

    He simply can't be trusted. He is an anarchist who makes his own rules.

    Maybe next time he'll violate the policy against checking the level of gas in the tanks with a the light from a lighter. Who knows what he might do.

    He wouldn't be working for me with that attitude. Fortunately I own my business and he does not, so I get to set policy and he does not.

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    He over-ruled bad policy with Constitutional Rights.
    He used common sense. I'd welcome him on my staff.
    The people that worked for me the past 30 yrs always knew they could bring up bad policies, or suggest better methods/policies.

    The proper way to look at it: The owner/manager is still just a part of "The Team".
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    If he had any integrity he would never have been in that situation because he either would have left his job or openly lobbied for a change in the policy.

    He simply can't be trusted. He is an anarchist who makes his own rules.

    Maybe next time he'll violate the policy against checking the level of gas in the tanks with a the light from a lighter. Who knows what he might do.

    He wouldn't be working for me with that attitude. Fortunately I own my business and he does not, so I get to set policy and he does not.
    ^^Say's the fascist-minded dictatorial sheepherder to his little staff of spineless sheeple.^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    If he had any integrity he would never have been in that situation because he either would have left his job or openly lobbied for a change in the policy.

    He simply can't be trusted. He is an anarchist who makes his own rules.

    Maybe next time he'll violate the policy against checking the level of gas in the tanks with a the light from a lighter. Who knows what he might do.

    He wouldn't be working for me with that attitude. Fortunately I own my business and he does not, so I get to set policy and he does not.
    Did you actually see the interview of this guy? This guy has probably the least attitude of anyone I've seen. He's just a simple hardworking guy with humbleness to spare. Anarchist would be the last description I would give him. Where do you get "anarchist" from what you saw about him? What attitude did you see from him?

    Also with your "checking the gas levels with a lighter comment", you insinuate that the man is stupid and bereft of common sense. In this entire scenario, he's the only one that had any. He made sure he didn't get killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    If he had any integrity he would never have been in that situation because he either would have left his job or openly lobbied for a change in the policy.

    He simply can't be trusted. He is an anarchist who makes his own rules.

    Maybe next time he'll violate the policy against checking the level of gas in the tanks with a the light from a lighter. Who knows what he might do.

    He wouldn't be working for me with that attitude. Fortunately I own my business and he does not, so I get to set policy and he does not.
    He's been with the company for 10 years, and has the kind of reputation that prompted two managers to fight for him. He showed tremendous judgement and restraint in a situation in which he could have pulled off a shot, instead, he relied on the deterrent value of his sidearm to de-escalate the situation. I have read numerous postings from many others on this forum that have said they wouldn't have exercised this kind of discretion given similar circumstances.

    Sorry, you may disagree with his decision to CC at work, but I applaud his restraint and ability to accurately assess what could have been a lethal situation. That shows both character AND good judgement. The situation illustrated, once again, the need to allow employees to carry on the job. You never know when they will be confronted with these circumstances - or worse.

    If you make it a practice to carry at your business while denying your employees that same opportunity to defend themselves, you are a self-serving hypocrite.

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