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  1. #11
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    One just opened in my town. Haven't been, haven't had much desire to overspend on their overhyped stuff.

    But, no FOL here so if they should post (unlikely in this town) and I did feel the need to buy something, there, no big deal.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by auditd0rk View Post
    Add Panera Bread to the list of anti-gun establishments:

    BREAKING: Panera Asks Customers To Leave Their Guns At Home - The Truth About Guns

    I'll miss their asiago roast beef sandwich, but I'm sure I can find a gun-friendly alternative.
    Atlanta Bread is very similar to Panera Bread, just not as many of them around. However, they are fine with concealed carry inside their business.

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    I see where Panera Bread is coming to a town near me. I won't be patronizing them and have spread the word that if you go there you may as well put a target on your back because gun owners are not welcome to carry there. Our state is an open carry state and we also have a large number of CCW people here. We are not welcome at Panera.
    Me or my money doesn't go where we are not welcome.

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    I'm curious. Suppose a person carries concealed into an establishment that has a "no guns" sign posted. Somehow, the manager spots the printing. The manager can't see the gun or holster but just a printing "bump" or outline. The manager approaches the gun-wearer and asks whether or not that person is carrying a gun.

    My question: Is the gun-wearer obliged by law (in any of the states) to answer to a non-LEO's inquiry?

    I suppose that even if not legally required to respond to the manager, the situation could be escalated by the manager calling LEO into it. I guess it would depend on how anti-gun the management or corporate owners are.

    Basically, I'm wondering, practically speaking, how enforceable are gun-free zones in the commercial sector?

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    I can see no way that anyone is obligated to answer any question from a citizen. I suspect that most would not have the courage to ask, but run to the back and call 911 and report a MWAG, or ignore it. It could get real ugly if the cops showed up, and it was a colostomy bag or an insulin pump.

    Some states you can only be charged with trespassing if you refuse to leave, in others gun buster signs have the force of law. In NC it was a misdemeanor, but the law was changed last year reducing it to an infraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilbert08 View Post
    Atlanta Bread is very similar to Panera Bread, just not as many of them around. However, they are fine with concealed carry inside their business.
    From the article in the OP: "Panera is not banning legally carried firearms from its stores". They are asking people not to bring firearms. You are certainly still free to bring your firearm. It's a fine line several companies have drawn after getting bullied by MDA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reba View Post
    I'm curious. Suppose a person carries concealed into an establishment that has a "no guns" sign posted. Somehow, the manager spots the printing. The manager can't see the gun or holster but just a printing "bump" or outline. The manager approaches the gun-wearer and asks whether or not that person is carrying a gun.

    My question: Is the gun-wearer obliged by law (in any of the states) to answer to a non-LEO's inquiry?

    I suppose that even if not legally required to respond to the manager, the situation could be escalated by the manager calling LEO into it. I guess it would depend on how anti-gun the management or corporate owners are.

    Basically, I'm wondering, practically speaking, how enforceable are gun-free zones in the commercial sector?
    Again, Panera is not a gun-free zone by law. There are no signs.

    Any business representative can ask you to leave. If you do not comply, you commit criminal trespassing.

    The enforcement of gun-free zones depends on state law. In some states, signs do have the force of law, while in some other states, they don't. In any case, if you get asked to leave, you have to leave.

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    Looks as if Panera Bread has caved to MDA

    Quote Originally Posted by auditd0rk View Post
    Add Panera Bread to the list of anti-gun establishments:

    BREAKING: Panera Asks Customers To Leave Their Guns At Home - The Truth About Guns

    I'll miss their asiago roast beef sandwich, but I'm sure I can find a gun-friendly alternative.
    I think I've ate at a Panera Bread maybe once in my lifetime but at the time I wasn't a CCW holder...

    But whether it's posting a sign or just "asking" me to not carry within their establishment is not going to keep me from carrying. Concealed is concealed. That's why I don't carry openly.

    Disclaimer:

    Not pickin' on all y'all that live to open carry. I'm just simply stating that that's one of the few reasons why I don't open carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40scinNC View Post
    I sent them an email regarding their decision, and that I would not spend another nickel in any of their stores, and that I know they have placed their employees and customers in greater danger from criminals that love the safety of a gun free zone.

    This is the BS they responded with.
    I would have wrote back asking if they expected all the would-be criminals to do the same... If they even gave it two Schits thought about it guaranteeing to the criminal crowd that there's an even lower chance all the sudden of no one now being a hero when someone is thinking of holding the place up.

    I get why most of you avoid these places like the plague(whether it's because you open carry exclusively and can't... carry in these places or you're just all about that principle of not supporting "robbers welcome" stores) but I just can't unwrap my mind around feeling like I'm punishing myself by staying out of and not supporting places I enjoy by either not traveling long distances to find other gun-friendly establishments or giving in and leaving my carry protection behind.

    That just ain't me.

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    Looks as if Panera Bread has caved to MDA

    Quote Originally Posted by Reba View Post
    I'm curious. Suppose a person carries concealed into an establishment that has a "no guns" sign posted. Somehow, the manager spots the printing. The manager can't see the gun or holster but just a printing "bump" or outline. The manager approaches the gun-wearer and asks whether or not that person is carrying a gun.

    My question: Is the gun-wearer obliged by law (in any of the states) to answer to a non-LEO's inquiry?

    I suppose that even if not legally required to respond to the manager, the situation could be escalated by the manager calling LEO into it. I guess it would depend on how anti-gun the management or corporate owners are.

    Basically, I'm wondering, practically speaking, how enforceable are gun-free zones in the commercial sector?
    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    Again, Panera is not a gun-free zone by law. There are no signs.

    Any business representative can ask you to leave. If you do not comply, you commit criminal trespassing.

    The enforcement of gun-free zones depends on state law. In some states, signs do have the force of law, while in some other states, they don't. In any case, if you get asked to leave, you have to leave.
    I guess I could have let Reba do it and make get own response to your post but as outlined in her reply above in BOLD, I don't think she's asking about a place like Panera Bread that is only "asking" customers to leave their carry protection at home. She did say an establishment with a posted "no guns" sign.

    But anyway, if someone "thinks"... that the object under your shirt or other article of clothing is a gun printing though it, they can one, ask you about it and two, ask you to leave with threat of trespass if you don't? Only because you have something under your shirt that "looks like a gun"?

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