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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    It is my understanding that Uber drivers are technically independent contractors. This change in policy is, as far as I know, not legally binding. Uber can not legally prohibit a driver or rider to carry without becoming the employer of the driver.
    And even then, still not within their private vehicle.

    You have to be an employee of Uber and in a company owned vehicle for this policy to apply.

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  3. #12
    Uber drivers use their own car, and when they are working as a Uber driver, their car is their workplace.

    Most states have a castle doctrine that designates a person's abode or any legally occupied place including a vehicle or workplace as a place in which that person has certain protections and immunities permitting him or her, in certain circumstances, to use force to defend himself or herself against an intruder, free from legal responsibility/prosecution for the consequences of the force used.

    Using that standard an anti-gun company that allows employees to work from their homes could also ban any guns in the home.

    I don't think Uber has a leg to stand on, just more anti-gun idiocy.
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  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by pete lynch View Post
    High-priced neo-hippie ride sharing service?
    Would not use them anyway.
    I would bet that you've never used them one time
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    From a post on another forum-

    If somebody wants to push it even further- they could find themselves in trouble with the DOT, IRS, ICC etc.

    Having owned a transportation company for almost 20yrs, I learned some important requirements & restrictions when hiring independent "contractors" -VS- company "employees".

    For Instance-

    • A company can enforce things like a dress code (uniforms) when it comes to company "employees" But can't make independent contractors wear company "employee" uniforms.
    • A company can pay independent contractors a "fee" for services rendered. But, cannot pay them an hourly wage & take out taxes.
    • A company can make "employees" work certain hours & do certain tasks. But, cannot force an independent "contractor" to do anything.
    • Independent contractors cannot be forced to drive "company" owned or leased vehicles. (Although certain "safety" requirement can be enforced.)



    Sure, a company can set certain policy & standards for independent "contractors". But, the do have to be very careful because if they push requirement too far, the government can/WILL consider "contractors" to be company "employees". The government is actually scrutinizing companies that utilize "independent contractors" very closely because so many companies are looking for a loophole around federal "employee" regulations.

    I started my "cargo" transport company and wanted to exclusively utilize independent contractors to save money & payroll fees because it didn't make much sense financially to have employees collecting hourly wages & benefits when there wasn't enough work to keep them busy 40hr a week. But, after a complaint was filed by a larger competitor, I was legally FORCED restructure my company & business model. (Fortunately we were able to survive until other insurance & new government employee requirements nailed the final nail in the coffin of our "small" company.)

    IMHO:
    This could be the beginning of the end for Uber. If a contractor gets fired because it's discovered he is "legally" carrying a firearm in his personal vehicle and files a lawsuit "rightfully" claiming he is an "independent" contractor and therefore is not subject the same rules as a company "employee". This could bring unwanted attention and possibly a government enforced change of the Uber business model.

    A lawsuit brought by a customer who get robbed or shot while riding in one of their "taxis"; or a lawsuit by a competitor (like in my situation), could possibly to the same thing and force Uber out of the "taxi" business.


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  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    I would bet that you've never used them one time
    I for one, haven't, because I own a car.

  7. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
    I for one, haven't, because I own a car.
    I own many cars, that's NBD. I also travel to places where I do not keep a car and in those places I use uber if available. I've used them in asia, europe and around the US
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  8. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    I own many cars, that's NBD. I also travel to places where I do not keep a car and in those places I use uber if available. I've used them in asia, europe and around the US
    I don't care.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    I would bet that you've never used them one time
    That is correct. I don't go anywhere unless I get to drive. I don't like being a passenger.

  10. We've already had one armed Uber driver stop a crime.

    Uber driver, licensed to carry gun, shoots gunman in Logan Square - Chicago Tribune

    I was going to cancel my partnership arrangement with them already. I guess I can put that down as a reason.

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueshell View Post
    I don't care.
    so let me get this straight. You want your views to prevail despite having zero knowledge or experience while you want to diminish my opinion which is backed by actual usage of the service?
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