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  1. You and you alone are yours and your family's first responder. Not the PD or FD. They regularly pick up the pieces and do after-actions...


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    Quote Originally Posted by coldwarrior View Post
    You and you alone are yours and your family's first responder. Not the PD or FD. They regularly pick up the pieces and do after-actions...


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    That's a great goal but not realistic for everyone. I know that I couldn't put out a house fire by myself, and I don't want to be the one trying to drive a loved one to the ER and perform CPR at the same time. For some people, PD and FD first responders can get to the scene quicker than a family member. Some people don't have family members available. Some people don't have the physical ability to perform first responder duties.

  4. You missed the general point. I agree that some cannot defend themselves. Generally, we need to be responsible for our own safety and security. To fully depend on government services is foolish and dangerous. It's not always about guns or the 2nd Amendment. It's about being prepared for what could happen and not putting yourself in situations or determining how you will deal with situations. You are responsible for your own safety and security. That is a basic human concept.


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  5. Quote Originally Posted by snowman45 View Post
    While I agree with Constitutional Carry for all; yeah, there is a reason why law enforcement carry firearms where others are not allowed. If you can't figure that out, you need to watch the news. LEO's are targets; whether on-duty or off, in uniform or out. Our lives are no ore valuable than your's, but we will be targeted because we are LEO. You won't. As foxytwo said below, carry concealed.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    Why is it that civilian gun carriers that claim they have no duty to protect the public think they should be allowed to carry anywhere a police officer can? I realize that tacticly it is safer to retreat at an active shooter event, but police officers are trained to run toward the gunfire. If you were in the Cheese Factory and a shooting started what are you going to do? ...Yea, that is what I thought.
    I'll do exactly what I have done before...

    Move towards the sounds of gunfire.

    You?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    Ron as I pointed out in my post us citizens will be charged with a crime if we hit or injury any bystanders. The Police officers have the government blessing to shot without worry of being charged with a crime if the hit, injure or even kill a bystander. Us citizens do not get that privilege.And where do you get of thinking the police have a duty to protect you? It has been proven time and time again that they have no duty to protect you or anyone else.
    Correct, Kasper......

  8. Quote Originally Posted by coldwarrior View Post
    You and you alone are yours and your family's first responder. Not the PD or FD. They regularly pick up the pieces and do after-actions...


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    Boom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikestone967 View Post
    Correct, Kasper......
    According to this article of the Washington Post, it seems to me that the Castle Rock PD just got extremely lucky because they were saved by the part below highlighted in bold.

    Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for a 7 to 2 majority, said that in order for her to prevail and possibly collect damages, Gonzales would have had to show that she had been denied a benefit guaranteed by state law, such as a welfare or employment benefit. Enforcement of the order, he said, would have to be a "protected entitlement."

    But Colorado law has not created a personal entitlement to enforcement of restraining orders,"he said. Indeed, "it does not appear that state law truly made such enforcement mandatory" but rather gave police a considerable level of discretion in such matters.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RonM0710 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    And in case you haven't heard, the US Supreme Court has ruled that police officers have NO duty to protect me or my family, therefore LEO only permitted to carry is about one thing and one thing only - putting LEO's lives above everyone else and keeping them upon their special citizen status pedestals.
    The "Duty to Protect" and the "Duty to Act" are two very different things. Police Officers are required to act. That does not mean retreat out the door with your tail between your legs. It means attempt to stop the threat, or limit casualities to the public. Get over yourself.
    Be careful painting with a broad brush. When you say Duty to Act, I will assume you are referring to activating yourself as a police officer when off duty.

    While your department may require this, Realize that not all jurisdictions / departments do and some outright prohibit it except for a tightly defined set of circumstances.

    This being said, you yourself are the only one that can be counted on for your own safety.

    Unless there is sterility, gun free zones don't work. Even then there are security breaches that can leave those in the sterile zone vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldwarrior View Post
    You missed the general point. I agree that some cannot defend themselves. Generally, we need to be responsible for our own safety and security. To fully depend on government services is foolish and dangerous. It's not always about guns or the 2nd Amendment. It's about being prepared for what could happen and not putting yourself in situations or determining how you will deal with situations. You are responsible for your own safety and security. That is a basic human concept.


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    This, is not a good explanation to this, down below in the bottom quote in bold. You sure did a good job making it sound like cops and firefighters could give a crap less about you, your family, your property and your wellbeing. I'm not gonna speak entirely for police departments but, after spending a little over 6 years on a volunteer fire department, we didn't take our time coming to your aid. I couldn't tell ya how many houses I've helped saved in the middle of the night, then having to go work my full time job all day afterwards. Having to leave my turkey dinner just as I sat down to enjoy on thanksgiving when the tones came out for a chimney fire.

    I get what you are saying about us as individuals being responsible for our own safety and security but don't make it out like police departments and especially fire departments just simply don't care.
    Quote Originally Posted by coldwarrior View Post
    You and you alone are yours and your family's first responder. Not the PD or FD. They regularly pick up the pieces and do after-actions...


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