The bills Jerry Brown Didn't Veto Yesterday
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  1. The bills Jerry Brown Didn't Veto Yesterday

    So Brown's veto of several anti-gun bills was hopeful BUT there were 8 other bills he did sign, and some of them are horrific at best.

    AB170 removed the ability for a corporation to buy a 50 BMG, what this means is questionable

    AB48 makes it a misdemeanor to manufacture, import or sell a large capacity magazine conversion kit.

    AB231 creates the crime of 'criminal storage of a firearm in the 3rd degree' for leaving a loaded gun where 'they should have known' a child could find it - that should have known could be very dangerous.

    AB500 halts gun purchases if the buyer has a 'history of mental treatment' or criminal conviction. History of mental treatment? Does that mean you go see a psychiatrist once and you can't buy guns?

    AB711 requires the use of non-lead ammo for hunting effective July 1, 2019

    AB1131 increases the time before a person is allowed to buy a gun from 6 months to 5 years after making a threat of physical violence to a licensed psychotherapist.

    SB363 expands the definition of 'criminal storage' (see above) to include keeping a loaded gun where a prohibited person has access to it.

    SB683 requires person buying a long gun to take the same safety training as people who buy handguns.

    And of course we will see if there are the votes to override his veto on the other 5 bills

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    I was pleasantly surprised to see how he refused to infringe upon our rights and defend responsible gun ownership. I was expecting far worse and am quite pleased with "Moonbeam". Those that were not vetoed and passed are OK with me. I don't want children, the violent or mentally ill people to have access to guns. I don't hunt, so the lead ammo thing is of little interest to me nor does my company need a 50 BMG.

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    I was surprised as well he vetoed some of the bills. I thought he would sign all of them. There is hope, a little anyway.

  5. I too am surprised that he didn't "blanket" sign everything. But being a seasoned politician he split the difference very skillfully, throwing some bones to the unthinking anti gun sheeple and not stealing enough from us 2A folks to incur blanket law suits from the NRA, GOA, and others. The Colorado recalls cut just close enough to the bone to cause them to pause, but they'll never give up, nor should we.

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    AB170 removed the ability for a corporation to buy a 50 BMG, what this means is questionable

    Prevents a company from buying a 50BMG like a Barrett, which will make R&D difficult for companies, and will block company purchases by Corps like Blackwater for troop support. The idea was probably to prevent blame for a crime from being shifted to a non-entity as opposed to a registered individual (gun registration, see where it leads?) but once again we have ignorant politicians passing laws they don't understand, and by doing so, causing unforeseen consequences.

    AB48 makes it a misdemeanor to manufacture, import or sell a large capacity magazine conversion kit.

    Again, a pointless law, just like mag capacity limits. This does nothing at all to prevent any crimes.

    AB231 creates the crime of 'criminal storage of a firearm in the 3rd degree' for leaving a loaded gun where 'they should have known' a child could find it - that should have known could be very dangerous.

    This law already exists! It's called Criminal Neglect. This law is just another example of stacking repeticious laws, and is the reason we have more legal code in this country than any one person could ever hope to understand, or even wade through. Most of it is pointless on top of that.

    AB500 halts gun purchases if the buyer has a 'history of mental treatment' or criminal conviction. History of mental treatment? Does that mean you go see a psychiatrist once and you can't buy guns?

    Exactly what this means, as has already been evidenced by the specially formed SWAT teams California has been using to go door to door of anyone with a record of having sought psychiatric help for any reason, and stripping everyone in those homes of their firearms. Not coming for your guns? Really? People who have never committed a crime are being stripped of their rights and their guns by the government simply because, for example, a man's wife saw a psych once for post-partum depression.. as a result, she lived in the same house as her husband, who had a firearm.. and the cops assumed that gave her automatic access to it and she posed a threat in their mind, so they raided his home, and took everything.

    AB711 requires the use of non-lead ammo for hunting effective July 1, 2019

    Horse Hockey.

    AB1131 increases the time before a person is allowed to buy a gun from 6 months to 5 years after making a threat of physical violence to a licensed psychotherapist.

    Tell me there is a single person here who hasn't wanted to punch a fool in the neck at least once in his life. None of you are a Psychiatrist, right? Just checking.

    SB363 expands the definition of 'criminal storage' (see above) to include keeping a loaded gun where a prohibited person has access to it.

    Because it's YOUR responsibility, or even ability to check the criminal background of every person you ever meet.

    SB683 requires person buying a long gun to take the same safety training as people who buy handguns.

    Infringement of the Second Amendment, just like the ban on "Saturday night specials" was in the 60s. The idea is to add fees and costs to every firearm to the point that the poor can't afford to defend themselves, leaving that "privilege" for the politically and financially elite.
    Don't trust this bozo. This is exactly the insideous way the progressive left is going to win the war against the second amendment. They'll chip away at it, pretending to be the "moderate middle" looking to "reasonable reform" by vetoing the worst of the bills, and accepting the lesser ones, until they pass everything they want, one way or the other.

    NO COMPROMISE.
    No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority.
    Robert A. Heinlein

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    in regards to "AB231 creates the crime of 'criminal storage of a firearm in the 3rd degree' for leaving a loaded gun where 'they should have known' a child could find it - that should have known could be very dangerous." I would have to agree that not only can the "should have known" become very dangerous, but also the factor of the child itself. Depending on the age, maturity, and curiousity of a child varies greatly from child to child and can drastically change the locations in which you can keep a loaded gun within the limits of this bill. I agree that people shouldn't leave loaded guns out where little children can get to them easily, but the proper gun owner would be responsible enough to raise their child(ren) with proper gun safety to know how to behave around/with a loaded gun.

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