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    146 Concealed Weapon Permit Renewals Denied In Orange County

    ORANGE COUNTY: Police are tightening criteria for residents who hold licenses.

    SANTA ANA - Some 146 Orange County residents with permits to carry concealed weapons have been told they do not meet new criteria to have their permits renewed, a sheriff's captain said Friday.

    The Orange County Sheriff's Department is reviewing a list of 1,024 people with the permits and has completed names beginning with letters A through L, said sheriff's Capt. Dave Nighswonger.

    The notices give the permit-holders 30 days to provide more information that might persuade authorities they should be allowed to carry concealed weapons, Nighswonger said.

    Under the new criteria, people must show there is a credible threat against them, and that they need to carry a concealed weapon to protect themselves.

    On Tuesday, Sheriff Sandra Hutchens told the Orange County Board of Supervisors that she has tightened criteria in the face of a perception that her predecessor, ex-Sheriff Michael Carona, handed out concealed weapon permits as political favors. She told the board that she has not yanked any licenses so far.

    Nighswonger said that several of the permittees notified have submitted additional information, but some did not meet the new requirements. Some people cited Second Amendment rights, or indicated they are avid shooters and carry weapons frequently to firing ranges. Neither of those reasons meet the requirements, Nighswonger said.

    "It really comes down to a credible substantial risk to safety," Nighswonger said.

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    O.C. sheriff tightens rules on concealed weapons - Los Angeles Times

    O.C. sheriff tightens rules on concealed weapons

    Applicants must prove there is a legitimate threat to their safety and agree to undergo psychological, polygraph or medical testing. The tightened rules also apply to those who already have permits.

    By Stuart Pfeifer
    August 12, 2008 in print edition B-3

    Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens on Monday released a policy that could lead to the revocation of dozens, if not hundreds, of concealed-weapons permits issued by former Sheriff Michael S. Carona.

    Hutchens’ new policy requires that to get a concealed-firearm permit, applicants must prove there is a legitimate threat to their safety and agree to undergo possible psychological, polygraph or medical testing.

    When she took office two months ago, Hutchens inherited the responsibility of overseeing about 1,100 concealed-weapons permits that Carona had issued. Many of the holders were businessmen, doctors, lawyers and dentists. Several were financial contributors to Carona’s campaigns.

    Capt. Dave Nighswonger, who is overseeing the review, said sheriff’s investigators would send letters to those in jeopardy of losing their permits and give them an opportunity to explain why they need to carry a concealed weapon. The first letters could go out in about two weeks, he said.

    In California, sheriffs and police chiefs have broad discretion to issue gun permits to the public; the number issued varies widely from county to county. Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca has issued fewer than 400 concealed-weapon permits.

    The permits allow the holder to carry concealed weapons in public places.

    Gun owners don’t need the permits to keep weapons at their homes.

    Hutchens’ new policy states that anyone with a previous felony conviction or a misdemeanor conviction involving violence will be ineligible for a weapons permit. In addition, anyone with a misdemeanor conviction of any kind within the previous five years will be denied a permit.

    “The good-cause threshold you have to meet has gone up,” Nighswonger said. “The prior sheriff had more of a right-to-carry philosophy. Some of the things that were considered good cause won’t be now.”

    The first order of business for Nighswonger’s staff will be to review pending applications and renewals to see if the applicants are eligible for permits. Once those decisions are made, investigators will look at the 1,100 active permits, probably starting in alphabetical order, he said.

    “We don’t see the numbers dropping to a few hundred, but there will be some who don’t apply and some who have their permits denied or revoked,” Nighswonger said.

    In a letter to the public posted on the department’s blog, Hutchens explained that she will issue the permits “to persons of good and upstanding character who possess credible, significant and substantiated cause to fear for their safety.”

    Licenses “will not be issued for political, social or other reasons,” she wrote.

    She cautioned that firearms should be used as a last resort and said anyone who misuses a weapon in public faces revocation of their permit and possible criminal prosecution.

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    News: Sheriff begins taking away concealed weapons permits | permits, carona, concealed, county, department - OCRegister.com

    Thursday, October 9, 2008
    Sheriff begins taking away concealed weapons permits
    Hundreds of letters have been sent out advising current permit holders of impending revocation.
    The Orange County Register
    Comments 120 | Recommend 153

    The Sheriff's Department has begun the process of revoking hundreds of concealed weapon permits across Orange County.

    This week, department officials confirmed that 146 letters have been sent out advising current license holders that their permits to carry firearms in public – called CCWs – are being revoked. There are currently 1,024 permit holders.

    "The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to revoke your CCW license," reads the form letter sent out this month.

    The letter, sent out under the signature of Captain Dave Nighswonger, advises current holders that if they feel that additional information should be considered they have roughly one month to provide additional good cause information for the department to consider before the revocation becomes final.

    This week, county supervisors grilled Sheriff Sandra Hutchens during her 120-day update on the reorganization of the agency about the status of the concealed weapons review.

    Hutchens acknowledged to supervisors that she had indeed tightened requirements for the permits but highlighted the fact that no current license had yet been revoked.

    But it seems unlikely that those who are getting the letters won't be revoked.

    "Most of them are not coming back with the information we need," said Nighswonger. "A lot of them are arguing the second amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," he said.

    Nighswonger said many of the current revocations listed their reason for having a concealed gun as "avid shooter."

    That no longer qualifies under Hutchen's new standards.

    Under state law, a Sheriff has discretion to issue concealed weapons permits. And under the administration of former Sheriff Mike Carona – whose federal corruption trial starts on Oct. 28 – guidelines for issuing concealed weapons permits were loosened.

    Records reviewed by the Orange County Register show that concealed weapon permits soared under Carona, from 38 in 1998 to 468 the next year. By 2006, it was up to 1,400, a four-fold increase.

    When Carona took over in 1998, Orange County ranked 34th in terms of the numbers of permits granted. By 2006, Orange County was ranked number nine.

    However, the Register also found numerous instances where campaign donors received the permits. A Register analysis of Carona campaign contributions from 1996 to the end of 2001 shows that at least 95 contributors – who gave at least $68,000 - got licenses.

    Indeed, the federal indictment against Carona details one specific instance where a wealthy contributor was granted a license under questionable circumstances.

    Hutchens has said that connection prompted her to review the policies and tighten the standards.

    Her revisions, and the revocation letters, have enraged gun activists who are pressing county supervisors to take action.

    "There's a lot of business owners and a lot of gun owners that have had CCWs that have never met Mike Carona or contributed," said Greg Block, a Huntington Beach-based firearms instructor and activist.

    He and many activists suggest a different standard: "If you are not a convicted felon, you should be able to get able to get a CCW in California," Block said.
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    News: Sheriff questioned on restrictive concealed weapons policy | hutchens, carona, concealed, gun, county - OCRegister.com

    Supervisors ask sheriff about restricting concealed weapons
    County board expresses concerns on new tighter policies.
    The Orange County Register
    Comments 61 | Recommend 306

    Sheriff Sandra Hutchens has come under fire from Orange County supervisors over her tightening of concealed weapons permits.

    Hutchens was before the board of supervisors Tuesday to present her long-awaited, 120-day report on the state of the department. And while she touted the work of rank-and-file officers, as well as volunteers and command staff, her gun policies drew the most attention. Hutchens was appointed by supervisors on a 3-2 vote in June following the October 2006 indictment of former Sheriff Mike Carona.

    To date, Hutchens has received high marks for restoring morale at the department as well as transparency and better relations with county supervisors.

    But on Tuesday, Supervisor Pat Bates – a key supporter of Hutchens – told her she has problems with the new gun policy which Hutchens revised in response to charges Carona handed out the permits as political favors. Supervisors Bill Campbell, Janet Nguyen and Chris Norby all voiced concerns about new revisions which tighten restrictions on who could qualify to carry a concealed gun and which could require applicants to take a psychological exam or polygraph as part of their background check. Anyone with a previous felony or a misdemeanor conviction within the last five years is now ineligible.

    "Any Sheriff has broad discretion on that matter," Bates told Hutchens.

    Under state law, local Sheriffs and police chiefs are granted wide discretion to hand out licenses to carry a concealed weapon, or CCWs, based on a person's "good cause."

    Yet discretion, Hutchens said, doesn't mean you can go around the law.

    Hutchens said the state law is clear that concealed weapons are not legal. Exceptions are just that, she told supervisors.

    "It's my duty to follow the law,' Hutchens said.

    "There was a perception that concealed weapon permits were being issued in exchange for support in the previous administration," said Hutchens.

    An Orange County Register analysis of Carona campaign contributions from 1996 to the end of 2001 shows that Sheriff Carona granted at least 95 permits to carry a concealed gun to his contributors. During the six years of contributions the Register analyzed, the recipients of concealed gun permits contributed at least $68,000.

    The analysis also turns up some big names, including GOP political consultant Adam Probolsky, GOP operative Jon Fleischman, Carona's former spokesman, and OC GOP leader Michael Schroeder, Carona's strategist and lawyer.

    "You're making my argument for me," said Hutchens when asked about the connection between contributions and guns following her presentation to supervisors. "Given those situations, I had to take a look. I believe the prior administration stretched good cause."

    Carona's gun permit policies also caught the eyes of federal officials, who go into court against Carona later this month.

    For example, when investigators from the Orange County Sheriff's Department reviewed the concealed weapons application from limousine mogul Ed Grech in the summer of 2001, they noticed a glaring omission.

    Grech hadn't mentioned a previous firearms conviction.

    When confronted, Grech's explanation was that "his wife filled out his application for him" and that he thought the conviction had been "dismissed."

    That kind of a discrepancy would normally kill an application to walk the streets with a concealed firearm in any one of California's urban counties.

    In Orange County, Grech had an ace in the hole.

    "Per Sheriff Carona, it's okay to issue CCW permit to Mr. Grech," reads a handwritten notation on the application page reviewed by the Register.

    Grech's application eventually caught the eye of federal prosecutors, who mention the CCW permit in their October 2007 indictment of Carona on corruption charges. Former Assistant Sheriff Don Haidl also has reportedly told prosecutors that he and Carona set up a program where $1,000 campaign donors could have access to guns and badges through a program called the "Professional Service Responders."

    Indeed, records show that concealed weapon permits soared under Carona, from 38 in 1998 to 468 the next year. By 2006, it was up to 1,400, a four-fold increase. In fact, under Carona no other county – except Mendocino – escalated the granting of weapons permits so starkly.

    Carona denies any wrongdoing and insisted throughout his administration that he did not play a role in individual CCW applications but had a very liberal threshold on good cause because he was an ardent gun rights supporter.

    According to department figures, under Hutchens 58 new applicants for concealed weapons permits have received letters denying the licenses unless they can come up with a better good cause statement. Another 42 have received initial approvals.

    To date, no existing license holder has had their permit revoked. And officials say they are conducting a full review in alphabetical order and are presently at the letter,

    Hutchens knows that attacking CCW permits will not be popular in some of Orange County's most conservative circles, where the second amendment granting the right to bear arms, is most popular.

    "We've always been known as a Republican, pro-Second Amendment, pro-gun rights county," said Greg Block, a Huntington Beach-based firearms instructor who trained many of Orange County's CCW holders over the past decade. "Now, we're being called LA County South."

    Hutchens acknowledges that Carona's liberal gun permit policies were a strong source of support.

    "I have had people come to me and say this could hurt me politically," she said. Yet Hutchens said she expects residents will respect that she is enforcing the spirit of the state's laws on concealed weapons.

    "Bottom line: It has to be fair and equitable to everybody," Hutchens said.

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