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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by throughtheringer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by NDS View Post
    Everybody should be allowed to carry everywhere at all times.

    DO you truly believe this? That seems ridiculous to me.
    Yes.
    I'm always amazed at how many people have been programmed to love their chains. How does the following relate to you?:
    If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
    greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us
    in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down
    and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon
    you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

    —Samuel Adams
    Quote Originally Posted by NCjones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by throughtheringer View Post



    Absolutely. Those that would carry and were up to no good would be weeded out by the law abidding carriers very quickly.

    IMHO, I don't see how one persons life is any less valuable than anothers persons life just because of some bad choices they made, possibly decades ago. By not allowing convicted felons and other citizens to carry they are denying their right to live their life in a safe manner.

    It is odd how we pretend to "rehabilitate" criminals, turn them back loose on the street, expect them to conform to society's rules and pay taxes and be productive when they are treated like second class citizens. I believe (and I'm probably alone in this belief) that if a man has served his sentence, paid his restitution, and is trustworthy enough to be turned loose back into society, he should be allowed full 100% privileges of that society, including the right to vote, carry a gun, and pay taxes.

    Anti's often compare this idea to "wild west" or "dodge city", but if you do the research, you will learn that per capita, the murder rate was much much lower in the "old west" when crooks knew that there was a gun on every hip than today when political correctness decides who is permitted to defend themselves. Only in John Wayne movies and Clint Eastwood movies did some stranger ride into town (squinting from the sunlight in his eyes) and shoot up the whole town. Being the sheriff was a piece of cake because if the bad guys rode into town, you just grabbed a few citizens standing around and voila, an armed possee. Easier than instant oatmeal.

    Why Virginia Tech, Why Fort Hood, why Columbine? Because the assailants KNEW the best place to have a message-sending body count was in a "gun free zone" (which I might add, is gun free only to law-abidding citizens). When is the last time you heard a confession where the robber stated he robbed ABC mart because DEF mart had a sign on the door that said "no guns allowed"?

    If EVERYONE was allowed to carry EVERYWHERE, the United States could save several billion dollars by laying off several million cops. But it seems like a cop and an undertaker have the most secure job forecast these days.
    Thank You--well stated.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

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    EMS carrying could be saving more lives!!

  4. #23
    Had a friend that was a Boston firefighter... he used to carry telling me he went into more than one situation where the fire "victims" had a gun visible or pulled one on him.

  5. Sorry, I didn't read the entire board so if this was stated I appologize.

    If it doesn't effect me, I don't care either way, although I think they SHOULD be able to.
    If I'm the one being treated I'd love to have an armed EMT...If i'm being treated by EMS then chances are i'm not 100% and should someone for whatever reason attack me or them i'd like to be protected while vulnerable.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  6. [quote=NCjones;97488]
    Quote Originally Posted by throughtheringer View Post



    Absolutely. Those that would carry and were up to no good would be weeded out by the law abidding carriers very quickly.
    I've been saying this for some time now, FELONS should be able to carry guns. I'm no felon, but I do feel that if we are going to lock people up and call it "rehabilition" or "correction" than we ought to restore their rights after they've successfully completed their sentance. Does this mean everyone? Well, no. Repeat offenders=no no. Offenses (sexual) against children- No No...

    But take into consideration that blowing up a mail box (as in with firecrackers) is a FEDERAL felony.
    If you're in a fist fight and have so much as a lighter in your hand while doing so- FELONY (in my state)

    There are some bad laws, and I don't think one mistake should make you defenseless forever.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  7. Just off the top of my head do you want the criminally insane to carry guns, convicted felons, children, people with no background check, no training? Should people be able to carry guns to courthouses where they might murder witnesses? bars where they are drunk and not thinking properly? you can quote all you want and point out as many hypotheticals as you like but your stance has some flaws in it.

  8. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by throughtheringer View Post
    Just off the top of my head do you want the criminally insane to carry guns, convicted felons, children, people with no background check, no training? Should people be able to carry guns to courthouses where they might murder witnesses? bars where they are drunk and not thinking properly? you can quote all you want and point out as many hypotheticals as you like but your stance has some flaws in it.
    The problem with your point of view is that it limits Constitutionally recognized rights. When you start to make a list of people who should be denied it becomes very easy to just add 'one more little problem' to the list. Look at misdemeanors denying gun rights today; look at the denial of gun rights to veterans who've had medical care but have broken no law.

    You have to take a principled stand somewhere and I prefer to take my stand as near to full recognition of rights as possible. If someone misuses an item legally available and breaks the law then they should be punished, not before they've broken the law.
    People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome.--River Tam

  9. Quote Originally Posted by throughtheringer View Post
    Just off the top of my head do you want the criminally insane to carry guns, convicted felons, children, people with no background check, no training? Should people be able to carry guns to courthouses where they might murder witnesses? bars where they are drunk and not thinking properly? you can quote all you want and point out as many hypotheticals as you like but your stance has some flaws in it.
    I wrote out a long winded witty retort to this comment, and albeit comical I think there is one great way to rephrase it.




    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


    Note: There is no "unless" _____

    Take note that there has been talk of felony charges for failure to obtain/maintain "approved" health care coverage under the current administration. I guess failing to comply with marxism shall soon be a felony and many would be ineligible to purchase, possess or carry arms.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  10. #29
    If they have a CWP , then why not and that goes from Search and Rescue as well,
    Just my 2 cents worth
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    I completly agree with carrying all the time my only problem is in the military you are trained that from a military stand point weapons DO NOT enter hospitals and that is the only reason I find it uncomfortable to carry to the hospital (I still do if its legal.) just another thought. I agree that everyone should have the right to protect their life while inside the borders of this country or any other country for that fact. anyways thought I would throw in my 2 cents.

    As for the mentally insane carring I do believe that people who are not fit to carry should not carry and once your a felon you have given up many of your rights. I must ask this one question on the mentally insane people aspect, how many insanes are there that have not been admitted to an institution of some sort keeping them from being able to carry? just another thought.
    "The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to ensure that the other guy dies for his country." - General Patton

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