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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    Don't know about the state of NV, but as a UT CFP instructor, we are advised by UT BCI to instruct students to call the police whenever they draw their firearm for SD purposes. This would be regardless of shots being fired or not. There have been cases in the past where a BG encounters a CC citizen, then goes on to report the "crime" to the police. The citizen is arrested and charged with terroristic threatening and encounters numerous legal challenges (both civil and criminal). In most cases, the LEO will take down some information, verify the citizen is carrying legally, write a report and be on their way. Reporting the BG will not only protect the citizen from false accusations, but may also help LEO track down and apprehend suspects.

    Bottom line, gun drawn for SD, you should report it to the police.



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    You sound like my NV instructor

    I agree and I think you should have called the cops; by letting them know YOU were the ones that were harrassed and had to pull the weapon negates any report filed by the scared BG. He may try to sue you over new pants since his are certainly soiled!

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    Although I agree that you calling the police would have been a good idea, I am quite surprised that store management did not insist on it.

    Years ago when I worked as a retail manager if there was an asault on or property and I knew about it, my first call was to the police and the second to my district supervisor, if I did not make those two calls I would not have been the manager in the morning. Generally the liabilty aspect of both an assualt taking place on property and the fact that a weapon was displayed would raise red flags that say "official report".

    When you show your gun in their "house" you now must play by their rules, you really are no longer in control. I am just most surprised by the rules they decided to play by.

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    In retrospect, I see where calling the Po-lice...even if only to be proactive and be the one to report first, just in case...would be a good idea. In fact, I did that myself some years ago when I had to go outside to confront a lurker. Turned out to be innocent enough, but it could have been a Bastid, if not a Zombie. However, I called the local constabulary to be the first one out with my side of the story.

    I stand by my position, though, that apprehension is not in my job description.
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    Here in Florida we have brandishing law's , so to CYOB , report so later the BG can't say you where brandishing him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ektarr View Post
    I stand by my position, though, that apprehension is not in my job description.
    I second that. If I've stopped the threat, I'm good to go.

    I'm not sure about all this "be the first to call" stuff. Yeah, it's sounds good and I suppose it MIGHT save some legal hassle, but why is the onus on us, as law-abiding citizens, to prove our innocence? We have undergone background checks, hold down jobs, raise families, support our church, whatever. Anytime they want to put my personal record up against some ******* who's tried to hijack my wallet in a restroom, feel free.

    Again, before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm not gonna overreact to it, personally. Must be the stubborn Irish in me.

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    It sounded to me from the original post that the management actually escorted the guy out. That would have been the time to hold him and call the police. Not really your responsibility, or the store's, but you might have been able to save his next victim. After a couple of days have gone by I wouldn't bother reporting it. I wasn't there but it seems to me you shouldn't have to pull your gun if you're not going to shoot. And if you feared you were in imminent danger of physical vioence then you should have shot him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    What would you do?

    Scenario: Dh (dear husband) is still recovering from an automobile accident, he moves quite slowly, walks with a cane, etc. Shopping in Wal*Mart recently, he needed a pit stop. A fellow followed him into the restroom and never entered a stall, he just stood by the sinks waiting for dh to emerge from his stall. First clue to dh that something was amis! Dh emerged from his stall with his hand on the handle of his pistol. The fellow asked, stated, "I bet you have money in that pouch?! I could hurt you," showing his hand and the weapon he had concealed in it. It was some kind of bar the fellow had palmed, but not brass knuckles. Dh said there was more in his pouch than money and if someone was going to be hurt well it wouldn't be him (dh)! He began pulling out the pistol. The fellow backed off immediately and left the restroom. He was later escorted from the store after dh alerted the front manager!

    I tried talking dh into alerting the police but he wouldn't, saying the problem was taken care of. I disagree. The fellow is still freely walking the streets.

    What are you thoughts, ideas? What would you do?
    I would have insisted that the police be called and the A$$H*%E be charged with attempted assault and attempted robbery. I would have been on my way after the bag of S%!T was cuffed, in the back of the cruiser, and on his way to the station. That way you will prevent it from happening to another person who may not be able to defend themselves.
    Sorry to hear that happened to hubby. Have a good holiday and be safe…
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    Quote Originally Posted by astute View Post
    Here's a big "WHAT IF". What if the guy had left the store and called 911 and reported a crotchety old man that pulled a gun and threatened him in the restroom? Guess who would have went to jail.
    Yup... The call goes in and the cops find DH and he has a gun... Then it's words vs. words and he may loose the right to carry...
    I was told if it breaks the top of the leather (or Kydex) it gets reported. Gotta keep it on the up and up.

    Just my 2 cents...
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    A jerk BG might have reported DH for threatening him to gain the legal upperhand. Our CCW instructor (a police chief) made it very clear the first caller gets the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BearTaylor View Post
    A jerk BG might have reported DH for threatening him to gain the legal upperhand. Our CCW instructor (a police chief) made it very clear the first caller gets the benefit of the doubt.
    See, this is what I don't understand. So, here I am in a public restroom where some low-life threatens me with personal violence; I open my jacket to show a firearm and BG breaks off the engagement. Threat stopped. Now, BG makes a call to LEO and gets the "benefit of the doubt"? BS. It's what...who draws their cell phone faster?

    Anybody who is lurking in a public restroom to threaten private citizens is an obvious low-life and it's probably not their first criminal escapade. So, we look at their record (lowlife scumbag) and we look at mine (father, husband, professional position, no criminal record) and LEO doesn't recognize the reality of the situation?

    My response: "Yeah, I displayed a weapon and it saved this idiot's life."

    I was trained to STOP THE THREAT. Maybe we should change that to stop the threat PERMANENTLY. No worries then about who makes the faster phone call.

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