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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    It sounded to me from the original post that the management actually escorted the guy out. That would have been the time to hold him and call the police. Not really your responsibility, or the store's, but you might have been able to save his next victim.
    That's exactly what I've been saying to dh. We're still discussing calling the police. He says that there would have been no problem shooting the bad guy, he just wants to forget altogether anything to do with shooting anyone, because of his Viet Nam daize. I would like to balance dh or others from being hurt and helping dh heal from his anguish, albeit these many years ago.

    Ideas? Suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    That's exactly what I've been saying to dh. We're still discussing calling the police. He says that there would have been no problem shooting the bad guy, he just wants to forget altogether anything to do with shooting anyone, because of his Viet Nam daize. I would like to balance dh or others from being hurt and helping dh heal from his anguish, albeit these many years ago.

    Ideas? Suggestions?
    Seems to me your first allegiance is to dh. He was the one involved, so I think it's his decision to make and yours to respect.

    I would say the same if it had been YOU who had dealt with the BG, just so you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rksap View Post
    I think the police should be called, but I think WalMart should be the ones to do it since it happened in their store. Your husband should have just had to hang around to provide a description.
    But it sounds to me like he handled himself just right.
    And to prevent the bad guy from filing a "guy with a gun" report, or even worse, a felony assault charge for threatening him with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    I second that. If I've stopped the threat, I'm good to go.

    I'm not sure about all this "be the first to call" stuff. Yeah, it's sounds good and I suppose it MIGHT save some legal hassle, but why is the onus on us, as law-abiding citizens, to prove our innocence? We have undergone background checks, hold down jobs, raise families, support our church, whatever. Anytime they want to put my personal record up against some ******* who's tried to hijack my wallet in a restroom, feel free.

    Again, before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm not gonna overreact to it, personally. Must be the stubborn Irish in me.
    Because if you don't prove your innocence on the front end, you could end up having to do it in a court room. Plus, it makes it so that the other guy has to prove his innocence too.
    Victory rewards not the army that fires the most rounds, but who is the more accurate shot. ---Unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Seems to me your first allegiance is to dh. He was the one involved, so I think it's his decision to make and yours to respect.

    I would say the same if it had been YOU who had dealt with the BG, just so you know.
    JJFlash, I understand what you are saying, yet can we agree to disagree? Yes, he was the one involved, but he's not a hermit and we all affect each other in the public arena. The incident happened in a store, in public, so the store was involved. He's my hubby so I'm involved. Finally, the fellow is still roaming the streets so public safety is involved. I do believe that we are strictly and solely responsible for our immediate safety as most LEO forces cannot protect us nor keep us safe 24/7/365, leading to my belief that the public safety is also my concern. If this fellow commits a crime against someone else then I've not done my due diligence in keeping the public at large safe. There are people who probably don't agree with that concept but that's the way I think about it. I don't know if it's been too long since the incident so that Wal*Mart tape might not be around anymore, but I can certainly notify the Sheriff's deputies about the incident, and that's something that everyone has the right, or maybe I should say the ability, to do if they so desire.

    Thanks, everyone, for your input. You've all given me so much to consider.

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    Others may disagree with me but it seems to me that pulling your firearm, aiming and firing should be one action as quickly and as accurately as you can do it. The gun shouldn't clear leather unless you plan to fire it. Otherwise, in your own mind, you did not fear imminent bodily injury or death to yourself or others. If I were the prosecutor trying to put you away for brandishing that's how I'd argue the case. That's pretty much what I was taught at my concealed carry class as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    Others may disagree with me but it seems to me that pulling your firearm, aiming and firing should be one action as quickly and as accurately as you can do it. The gun shouldn't clear leather unless you plan to fire it. .
    Well, count me as disagreeing. Most "armed conflicts" are ended by simply showing the weapon (I have had one real-world experience where that was the case.) The American Rifleman's "Armed Citizen" column regularly reports crimes that were prevented by simply presenting the weapon.

    If making the bad guy aware that you are armed (or in the language of this board that you are a "sheepdog) is sufficient to stop the threat/crime, then there is no need to use lethal force.

    Do LEOs shoot every time they draw their weapon? Of course not.

    bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    Others may disagree with me but it seems to me that pulling your firearm, aiming and firing should be one action as quickly and as accurately as you can do it. The gun shouldn't clear leather unless you plan to fire it. Otherwise, in your own mind, you did not fear imminent bodily injury or death to yourself or others. If I were the prosecutor trying to put you away for brandishing that's how I'd argue the case. That's pretty much what I was taught at my concealed carry class as well.
    I too would disagree. That argument is akin to saying that we cannot legally bring a gun to a knife fight. In most cases, assuming a knife wielding BG isn't completely psycho, staring down the business end of the peace-maker is enough to neutralize the threat. That is always the primary objective in self-defense.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    A knife is a lethal weapon and you can meet force with force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    A knife is a lethal weapon and you can meet force with force.
    No argument there, and shooting someone in close proximity wielding a knife would be justified. But my point still stands that it is not necessarily required that you pull the trigger once you "clear leather". If the knife wielding (or in this case, bar, pipe, club, whatever) BG backs off at the sight of your firearm, mission accomplished.

    If you still stand by your "don't clear leather unless you plan to fire" statement, then I ask you at what point should DH have shown his weapon?
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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