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    Quote Originally Posted by astute View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. If he had been open carrying the bad guy might have over powered him by surprise and who knows what the outcome might have been then?
    Except for in certain places like in the bank or the casinos, he has been open carrying since then. He realized that he was still too slow and too injured from his accident in October, to feel safe and secure against something like this. For what ever reason, maybe for that little ounce of prevention, open carry has made him feel safer.

    I was recently told that the front floor manager did call the sheriff's office and she did file an incident report. Though I think the BG should have been arrested, I guess that's not in the cards this time. I can only hope that his next victim is not hurt or worse!

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    hand gripping concealed weapon ready for use, sounds better than openly carried, easily taken or trapped in holster. Concealed definitely a better way to go if possible. Doesn't worry folks as bad, but still readily accessible.

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    remember that DH had element of surprise on HIS side. With open carry, bg may have been more prepared, the outcome could have been MUCH worse than wondering if "I did the right thing"

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    Muggers, robbers, etc choose victims that appear to be easy marks. They are not likely to accost an obviously armed individual.

    They're not looking for a fight, just an easy score. That's why simply displaying a weapon is usually sufficient to end the confrontation, as it did in this instance.

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    Open carry and cc in my town is practically a given. Not that my experiences are the same as others', but I've not heard of anyone being 86ed or nixed from any establishment because of open carry. On the outside walls near the entrances to some establishments, we see the occasional prohibitive signs get put up that mostly don't conform to legal standards and are often removed shortly afterward, and they don't deter cc much at all that I ascertain. Our Sheriff is pro-carry and pro-cc and this is a shall issue state. Though I dislike the desert, I like it much better here in Nevada for those reasons than I did living in California for 50 some odd years. We have no Castle Doctrine, and certainly the laws here aren't "perfect," but what law is? All that being said, I believe that the BGs out here don't flinch at seeing someone open carry, it's that common. I don't know if there are any studies or statistics whereby victims have the "drop" on BGs when open carrying or cc'ing. Has anyone read any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billwot View Post
    Muggers, robbers, etc choose victims that appear to be easy marks. They are not likely to accost an obviously armed individual.

    They're not looking for a fight, just an easy score. That's why simply displaying a weapon is usually sufficient to end the confrontation, as it did in this instance.

    bill

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    That's why I added Crimson Trace laser grips to my M&P45. It gives me the quick draw advantage and gives the BG a good idea where the bullet will hit if he chooses not to alter his game plan...
    If I don't have to shoot then all may be right with the world for that moment...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

  8. I agree call the cops because this guy might report you for pulling gun. Of course he would be lying but protect yourself. Anytime that self defense is warranted whether the gun is fired or not best to be safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    Don't know about the state of NV, but as a UT CFP instructor, we are advised by UT BCI to instruct students to call the police whenever they draw their firearm for SD purposes. This would be regardless of shots being fired or not. There have been cases in the past where a BG encounters a CC citizen, then goes on to report the "crime" to the police. The citizen is arrested and charged with terroristic threatening and encounters numerous legal challenges (both civil and criminal). In most cases, the LEO will take down some information, verify the citizen is carrying legally, write a report and be on their way. Reporting the BG will not only protect the citizen from false accusations, but may also help LEO track down and apprehend suspects.

    Bottom line, gun drawn for SD, you should report it to the police.
    That's the case in any jurisdiction for the reasons GF mentioned above. However, Wal*Mart management was involved so it's less of an creditability issue with the person acting in self defense in this incident since the perpetrator was escorted from the property and I'm assuming trespassed from the property.

    As for filing a report after the fact, it loses less of its effect and basically gets tossed into a filing cabinet. If you're going to report it, do right after the incident occurs.
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    Moral of story ------ Dh is NOT the latest statistic !!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by billwot View Post
    If presenting the weapon stopped the threat and/or prevented the robbery, mission accomplished!

    Armed citizens protect themselves and prevent crimes by simply making the BG aware that they are armed far more often then they do actually firing the weapon.
    Thankyou, Billwot. First off, if we only pulled our guns when we knew beyond a shadow of doubt we'd have to shoot, it would be TOO LATE to use it in thousands (or millions) of cases. Second, defensive gun uses amount to millions of cases in this country every year, in nearly all of which no shots are fired. The crime stops with the sight of the armed citizen far more often than not. Criminals are generally cowards who, when faced with armed resistance, turn inside out trying to get away. When they don't, well that's when the SHTF.

    So the rule is, only pull when you'd be justified in shooting. In DH's case, he was compromised by injury and walking with a cane, the BG was big and healthy (disparity in force), the BG had intent, opportunity and ability, thus the draw was perfectly legitimate. You or i might have just shot at that point, and (all the legal hassle aside) it would probably have been ruled a good shoot. But when the dude turned to run away, that justification to shoot vanished.

    DH did REALLY WELL imho, kept his cool, defused a situation that might otherwise have led to violence, robbery or death, and impressed his wife in the process. He avoided a lengthy, costly legal battle even though he was in the right, he kept his money and his pride - i just don't see a better outcome unless you're on a track to eliminate all the scumbags from all the walmarts in the world.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants ... for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

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