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  1. You shouldn't be dammed if you do... or dammed if you don't... if possible get some training to enhance your carrying skills. Everyone has their preference, the key is to take that preference and train it until you create a reaction of habit.

    Don't brow beat anyone... good luck

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  3. #92
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    Train like your gonna fight, fight like you train. That is as simple as it gets. That is why all elite combat forces or even athletes win ...they train. They take all the best tactics they can find and add to their training and through repetition and Honest after action reviews at squad level they perfect these tactics and find out how they can do better.
    I carry one in the chamber, however I don't have kids to worry about so I will not KNOCK anyone who is not at that comfort level because of his/her children. No matter what, we all must train with our arms to master them. Youtube has a huge resource with both novice and Expert advise, suggestions, and techniques that we can sort through and apply to our individual needs. Just don't be closed minded when it comes to new positions or drills. Learn as much as possible from as many soarses as possible.
    BE SAFE BE PREPARED
    MIND BODY SOAL

  4. The never-ending thread...............

    I believe that there are situations where both chambered and unchambered are called for. Depends on the risk level and how the gun is being carried. Depends on the gun.

    Again, I hesitate to carry a standard Glock chambered. No grip safety. No thumb safety. 3.5 - 5.5# trigger. I will only carry a Glock with one chambered in a solid retention holster OWB. My level of comfort. I don't like it but that is it.

    Sig P239 first shot 8.5#, subsequent shots 3#. I am okay in a good holster.

    1911's. Thumb safety. Grip safety. Good holster. I have no hesitation whatsoever carrying cocked and locked concealed. None.

    HK P7 series. I am happy to carry the gun stuck in my underpants with one in the chamber. It is a squeeze cocker and about the safest handgun I own that I will carry but too heavy.

    Reasons to carry with one in the chamber? Let me give you one example. You are in Orlando and stopped at a traffic light. Some guy bumps into you from behind, gets out of his car and walks up to your window. You are carrying but its on your strong side, there is nothing in the chamber and you are wearing your seatbelt to boot. No big deal right? Wrong. This guy gets to your window, hauls out a single action what looks like a Colt 45 and cocks the trigger while putting the business end in your face and telling you to get out of the car; no stay in the car; do you have money; do you have drugs; where are you going; do you have money? Etc. Get the picture? And his gun is all over the place. Up in the air... pointing downtown, etc. You try and pull your gun to defend yourself and you are a dead man. And your family is with you... what do you think their odds of survival are?

    YOU DO NOT have time to chamber a round.

    And how do I know? I am that guy in the car. And that was the experience that made me decide to carry whenever it was legal for me to do so. I did not even have a gun on me that day. As it turned out, the guy started retching, the light turned green and I floored it... leaving him in a cloud of dust at the entrance to the home of Mickey and gave thanks for a year that he did not open up on us with that huge huge .45. I have got to assume that any whacko carrying a single action .45 in chrome has either stolen it or owns it and is a desperately good shot. I'm just glad I never had to find out.

    Now. Go out and make your decision. It's been five years and I'm still working on it.

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    I haved carried my 1911 for 12yrs cocked and locked ready to rock one in the pipe,always remember where to put the booger picker

  6. #95
    Well I'm a newbie to this site.Yes still a newbie to the CCW Permit.Not quite a yr but close! Hubby & I both have ours! Hes very comfortable with a full mag & hot! I because of all our talking & his guidance also care full mag & hot! Both of my weapons ready if needed!
    Reasons like some have already listed! To carry Hot are very valid & I Totally Agree!
    My reasons & my hubby's are;
    1) I'm female & most will think an easy prey!
    2) I'm little enough if a big guy comes along,(or two) I can easyly be picked up & carted off!
    3) Theres NO WAY I can run, I'm an Ampute' running something even has a child I could not do!
    4) I'd rathet NOT fumble with racking if I'm in a postion where I need to fire!
    5) I don't see where you have the time to do anything but draw & fire. To protect your life or that of a loved one if the perp is with the 21ft rule!
    6) I got my CCW Permit so I can use it if needed! It might has well be at the ready!
    7) I'd rather be Alive & ready,rather than dead because I wasn't!
    Everyones entidled to there own opinion. Thats one of the reason I like this site! I just hope it don't come back to bite anyone!
    Always be Safe!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by hollie1 View Post
    Well I'm a newbie to this site.Yes still a newbie to the CCW Permit.Not quite a yr but close! Hubby & I both have ours! Hes very comfortable with a full mag & hot! I because of all our talking & his guidance also care full mag & hot! Both of my weapons ready if needed!
    Reasons like some have already listed! To carry Hot are very valid & I Totally Agree!
    My reasons & my hubby's are;
    1) I'm female & most will think an easy prey!
    2) I'm little enough if a big guy comes along,(or two) I can easyly be picked up & carted off!
    3) Theres NO WAY I can run, I'm an Ampute' running something even has a child I could not do!
    4) I'd rathet NOT fumble with racking if I'm in a postion where I need to fire!
    5) I don't see where you have the time to do anything but draw & fire. To protect your life or that of a loved one if the perp is with the 21ft rule!
    6) I got my CCW Permit so I can use it if needed! It might has well be at the ready!
    7) I'd rather be Alive & ready,rather than dead because I wasn't!
    Everyones entidled to there own opinion. Thats one of the reason I like this site! I just hope it don't come back to bite anyone!
    Always be Safe!
    Everyone makes adjustments and re-adjustment, your concerns should be training to learn, Identifying a target, assessing situations, where you carry your weapon (placement: back hip/shoulder/ankle/frontal) and the type of holster (retention/IWB/back).

    I've seen pictures in photo threads displaying " HOW PEOPLE CARRY ", Tactically speaking, a NIGHTMARE, conceal carry speaking, GREAT. Carrying a chambered/loaded weapon and thinking your ready, is a false positive. Carrying a loaded weapon is one thing, knowing where, when, and how to use it, is another. At least learn point shooting, drawing your loaded weapon is one thing, hitting your target is vital.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by gunsite View Post
    Everyone makes adjustments and re-adjustment, your concerns should be training to learn, Identifying a target, assessing situations, where you carry your weapon (placement: back hip/shoulder/ankle/frontal) and the type of holster (retention/IWB/back).

    I've seen pictures in photo threads displaying " HOW PEOPLE CARRY ", Tactically speaking, a NIGHTMARE, conceal carry speaking, GREAT. Carrying a chambered/loaded weapon and thinking your ready, is a false positive. Carrying a loaded weapon is one thing, knowing where, when, and how to use it, is another. At least learn point shooting, drawing your loaded weapon is one thing, hitting your target is vital.
    You allude to a very good point for consideration and that is very simply to carry based on the conditions you expect to be in. For instance, if I am wearing a suit I can carry one way (full size 1911 in OWB holster, cocked and locked) whereas if I am in shorts and a T shirt what and how I carry are different. Ditto where I carry (and don't get too fancy for crying out loud). I carry based also on what I am doing. If driving a lot I do not carry IWB on my hip but rather at 1 or 2 oclock OWB if I can (I purposely buy darker Dickies T shirts for such occasions as they conceal better and look okay when not tucked in ). And so on. Simply carrying 'hot' is indeed "a false positive" as you say. One needs to think about the overall picture. And one needs to get into the mindset that not one handgun fits all situations. I wish I could carry a snubbie at times but I have to (at present anyway) consider that I need to bring it back across the border into Canada with me and I cannot do that (barrel length minumum is 105mm or about 4.2 inches). Like I said in prior post. Five years and still working on the situation but about ready to start whittling down what I DO carry and how. If I could carry one of my AR's on a regular basis that's probably what I would do (just kidding).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    You allude to a very good point for consideration and that is very simply to carry based on the conditions you expect to be in. For instance, if I am wearing a suit I can carry one way (full size 1911 in OWB holster, cocked and locked) whereas if I am in shorts and a T shirt what and how I carry are different. Ditto where I carry (and don't get too fancy for crying out loud). I carry based also on what I am doing. If driving a lot I do not carry IWB on my hip but rather at 1 or 2 oclock OWB if I can (I purposely buy darker Dickies T shirts for such occasions as they conceal better and look okay when not tucked in ). And so on. Simply carrying 'hot' is indeed "a false positive" as you say. One needs to think about the overall picture. And one needs to get into the mindset that not one handgun fits all situations. I wish I could carry a snubbie at times but I have to (at present anyway) consider that I need to bring it back across the border into Canada with me and I cannot do that (barrel length minumum is 105mm or about 4.2 inches). Like I said in prior post. Five years and still working on the situation but about ready to start whittling down what I DO carry and how. If I could carry one of my AR's on a regular basis that's probably what I would do (just kidding).
    I sometimes have to make adjustments, because my lifestyle dictates me too, i carry Glocks, but different models, a 36 and a 29, they're operationally the same, but size and weight differ. I never have cause to doubt my carry style... because my training doesn't allow me to.

    When we see training videos of shooting courses of people wearing their weapons in a hot open carry, drawing and firing 2,3, rounds from a ready stance, and we tend to believe that relates to the street, it doesn't. For training purposes it makes sense, and a great PLATFORM for tactical training, but... it portrays ideal conditions, street life is not ideal conditions, your training has to advance.

    The more you know... the more your able to learn. Good Luck in training.

  10. I always carry with one in the chamber. In a defensive situation there is not enough time to call time-out while you rack your slide and load a round.
    Sam Ragsdale
    AGCM(AW/SW) USN-Ret

    NRA Life Member

  11. Quote Originally Posted by drjavelina View Post
    I always carry with one in the chamber. In a defensive situation there is not enough time to call time-out while you rack your slide and load a round.
    Can you describe that defensive situation...

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