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  1. Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    I carry Israeli draw, SOB. I have practiced presenting and firing at my berm a lot.I do not care if I am carrying a load of groceries. I can buy more. It takes me no more time to present this way than to draw and fire from a loaded chamber.

    This is my personal choice. It is what I am comfortable with and how I trained since 2006.

    I am happy with it.
    That is absolutely false. Carrying a 1911 or striker fired gun with a grip safety with one in the tube is INFINITELY faster than racking and firing a Glock that is not hot. There is simply no debate possible as it is physically impossible to rack a round under stress, bring the firearm back under control and to point of aim in the same time it takes to simply raise a 1911 series, flick off the thumb safety and fire. Period. End of story.

    Anyone that is going to tell you otherwise, video or not, is simpy full of BS.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    That is absolutely false. Carrying a 1911 or striker fired gun with a grip safety with one in the tube is INFINITELY faster than racking and firing a Glock that is not hot. There is simply no debate possible as it is physically impossible to rack a round under stress, bring the firearm back under control and to point of aim in the same time it takes to simply raise a 1911 series, flick off the thumb safety and fire. Period. End of story.

    Anyone that is going to tell you otherwise, video or not, is simpy full of BS.
    Why does it always come to this? You're obviously a proponent of chambered, as am I. However, I know some incredibly fast guys that could likely draw, rack, shoot and be on target before you or I could even get ours out of the holster. And what's up with the bolded section?

    You're basically saying even if there is video evidence they're still BSing? C'mon man, open your mind up and realize that this isn't the WRONG way, its just not YOUR way. YOUR way is not "infinitely" better. Nor is the opposing.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  4. Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    (Glock does NOT have a triple safety guys)... I'm talking (1) a thumb safety, and (2) a grip safety, and (3) a trigger guard and good holster for safety. THAT is safety.....
    Why not add a combo lock for good measure? You should not rely on manual safety devices.

    Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    I am still pondering guys. Still pondering. But one thing I know for an absolute fact. An absolute truth. Your life will one day depend on having one in the chamber and the gun hot.
    This is just an absolute lie. Statistically many of us will never have to use our weapons to defend our lives, or the life of another. I've been in some bad situations, one where I was attacked by a large group of people while wearing a badge and gun. I can attest that having an unchambered weapon would have been a disadvantage, but if my muscle memory were to rack I would have had sufficient time to do so. This was a 20+ vs. 2 of us stomping, I won't even call it a fight.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

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    I did not look at replies so I may be repeating but when I saw the intial question of theis thread I could not help myself. Pros: You can defend yourself right away without any delay Cons: You can shoot yourself or someone else by mistake if you do not know what you are doing--also known as the Plaxico Burris course on firearm safety

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    Carry for the conditions you are in

    I carry all of the time ( except where the law says I can't) and have it hot or an empty chamber depending on which pistol I am carrying and the conditions I am carrying it . When I am around my property and my granddaughter is over I leave the chamber empty. Since I pick her up alot I don't want to take any chances that there is a snag or other "accident". If I am out in public or someplace I feel there is a greater need for safety I carry in a ready to go state. While it takes very little time to rack a round there are some instances where you may not have the use of both hands. If you can't get your passive hand on the slide to chamber a round all you have a pretty poor club. You would have been better off carrying a pick handle. If you know the safeties your gun has, have a quality holster and practice for the day you may need to draw and defend yourself, there is no reason why you can't safely carry hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    Or a semi with a triple safety (Glock does NOT have a triple safety guys)... I'm talking (1) a thumb safety, and (2) a grip safety, and (3) a trigger guard and good holster for safety. THAT is safety.....
    So by your definition the Glock has a quadruple safety. The Glock is equiped with three safeties from the factory, the drop safety, the firing pin safety, and the trigger safety. Add to that the fact that it has a trigger guard and is designed to be carried in a good holster that's four (4) safeties. THAT is safety.

  8. I carry a Kimber 45. I most of the time carry it with a empty chamber. I practice the Israil draw, chamber and point.
    I am very fast and comfortable with this. I am a black belt and a vet Marine sgt. I carry a gun, I understand the pros and cons of each. I learned to keep my finger off the trigger till I am sure I am going to shoot. You do not have the right to tell me how to carry, I will listen to your words but make my own mind what I will do. I am very good with my gun and shooting.
    to tell others what they should do and use harassment to tell them, you should not carry a gun, I would not want you for my partner, you get people killed with hot words and no tact, respect and professionalism, fair and civil. you would pull and fire if someone stepped on your toes and called you a Xsshole and was walking away. too proud to respect life your honor would demand you step up to the bag and insult him back, you can't just let it go. Your way or the high way.
    You get people killed. most of time it's a innocent person cause you rush and spray. I will be fast but not rush. think and decide and when I fire I will hit what I aim at. would you not fire if your being shot at by a real bad guy if there were children behind him, would you Ok I am mattey mattel and fire away, or would you hope and run so that you don't kill a kid. I would run and IF I DIE I would know I killed no kid. so I carry a 45 with no round in the chamber, I bet I could get you with your chambered round
    before I die, one 45 round makes a big hole. put two in me I still will get one in you, then I see you at the gate and let GOD decide who Xucked up.
    Whitetiger

  9. #168
    I ALWAYS carry loaded, due to the fact that on MANY occasions, I have gone thru the process of chambering a round and had my fingers slipright off the slide...That would easily add another 2 seconds to the presentation process. for that reason alone my choice was made for me! LOADED CHAMBER always!!!

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    I started carrying empty chamber, no safety. When I became more familiar with my firearm and had a chance to shoot from different conditions at the range, I started carrying chambered, no safety, half cock. My Walther PK .380 has a very long trigger pull. Weighing potential accidental discharge with the features of the gun, and possibly not having two hands, I decided this was the safest as well as the smartest way to carry. Might be different with a different firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetiger View Post
    I carry a Kimber 45. I most of the time carry it with a empty chamber. I practice the Israil draw, chamber and point.
    I am very fast and comfortable with this. I am a black belt and a vet Marine sgt. I carry a gun, I understand the pros and cons of each. I learned to keep my finger off the trigger till I am sure I am going to shoot. You do not have the right to tell me how to carry, I will listen to your words but make my own mind what I will do. I am very good with my gun and shooting.
    to tell others what they should do and use harassment to tell them, you should not carry a gun, I would not want you for my partner, you get people killed with hot words and no tact, respect and professionalism, fair and civil. you would pull and fire if someone stepped on your toes and called you a Xsshole and was walking away. too proud to respect life your honor would demand you step up to the bag and insult him back, you can't just let it go. Your way or the high way.
    You get people killed. most of time it's a innocent person cause you rush and spray. I will be fast but not rush. think and decide and when I fire I will hit what I aim at. would you not fire if your being shot at by a real bad guy if there were children behind him, would you Ok I am mattey mattel and fire away, or would you hope and run so that you don't kill a kid. I would run and IF I DIE I would know I killed no kid. so I carry a 45 with no round in the chamber, I bet I could get you with your chambered round
    before I die, one 45 round makes a big hole. put two in me I still will get one in you, then I see you at the gate and let GOD decide who Xucked up.
    Whitetiger


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    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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