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  1. I guess the point is being missed here. Get to know your gun like the back of your hand. Inside and out. have complete confidence in your gun. If it is a 1911, it's about the easiest gun in the world to take apart and put back together. There are so many sites online that have diagrams and tutorials that you have to try not to be familiar with it. Get to the range and go through some rounds. Hundreds of rounds.

    I was fortunate to be initiated to the world of guns and the 1911 by a retired Army Ranger who taught me how to field strip it first, then to tear it completely down. I got to know my weapon well, inside and out. When we went to the range, we'd set up real world targets and used cover and concealment to shoot around (barrels labeled as such). Shot from a car, while changing a tire etc.

    So, maybe I had an unfair advantage but I don't think so. All this can be duplicated by anyone with a little creativity and imagination. Carrying a gun is not something to take lightly. Get serious and learn about your weapon. Carrying it with a round in the chamber is not a big deal if you know the rules and follow them.

    There are three rules of safe gun handling. Learn them right here. Repeat them as many times as you like:

    ALWAYS point the barrel of the gun in a safe direction. A safe direction is defined as a direction where if the gun discharged, nobody would get hurt. The best direction to point a gun is generally at the ground and to the side.

    This is known as the Golden Rule Of Gun Safety.

    If everyone followed this one rule, it would bring an end to accidental firearm related deaths.

    Be aware that the "safe direction" may change as you change your location.

    ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. There is a natural tendency to place the index finger inside the trigger guard. This MUST be avoided. Condition yourself to place your shooting hand index finger along the side of the frame.

    If you stumble and begin to fall while holding a firearm, please be aware that your hand and fingers will begin to clench naturally during your fall. That is why you must condition yourself to place your trigger finger outside of the trigger guard when handling or carrying a gun.

    There is no reason whatsoever that your finger should be on the trigger unless you have safely and appropriately acquired your target and your sight picture and are ready for the trigger squeeze.

    ALWAYS Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it. The action is the moving parts of the gun that allow loading, unloading, firing and extraction of the empty case or shell. If you are not ready to use it, keep the action open and unloaded.

    With an open and unloaded action, the only injury that might occur, is if you drop the firearm on your foot.




    Gun Safety At All Times
    ALWAYS treat every gun as if it is loaded and ready to fire. An excuse often heard following an accidental death is that "...I thought it was unloaded." ALWAYS handle the gun as if it is loaded, even if you know it is empty.


    Never target shoot or hunt with a firearm, when you are too tired or fatigued to continue to pay attention and operate a firearm safely. After getting a brand new gun or your first firearm, you may have a tendency to stay out too long. Call it a day before you get too tired to pay attention.


    NEVER point a gun at something or someone that you don't intend to shoot at. As Jeff Cooper would say "Don't point a gun at anything you are not prepared to destroy."


    Check the action of the firearm every time you pick it up. Condition yourself to do this. Check that action again, even if you just checked it.


    Wear eye and ear protection as appropriate. Inviting a hot piece of metal or powder in your eye is not a very good idea, in fact it hurts like hell. ALWAYS wear those silly looking glasses or you may be sorry. If you want to be able to hear your grandchildren, you should have ear plugs or ear protection muffs and use them according to the instructions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardballer View Post
    I can't here you. . .hehehe
    Excellent! Then he won't have to respond either, wasting rational people's time hammering away at his repeated indoctrination we've all heard a hundred times. Maybe he will find a thread entitled "Gun Safety" and be able to make a good contribution.

    Back to the subject, well said marionandjohn! Maybe we're not one single-minded Borg around here marching in lock step to the intransigent know-it-all's!

    If Mr. Hardhead had any sense, he would agree to disagree on the point, but people disagreeing with him seems to make him uncomfortable. He's in his quiet place now, head buried in sand. Good for him.

    It's nice to see there are some around here with a more moderate,tolerant POV.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Excellent! Then he won't have to respond either, wasting rational people's time hammering away at his repeated indoctrination we've all heard a hundred times. Maybe he will find a thread entitled "Gun Safety" and be able to make a good contribution.

    Back to the subject, well said marionandjohn! Maybe we're not one single-minded Borg around here marching in lock step to the intransigent know-it-all's!

    If Mr. Hardhead had any sense, he would agree to disagree on the point, but people disagreeing with him seems to make him uncomfortable. He's in his quiet place now, head buried in sand. Good for him.

    It's nice to see there are some around here with a more moderate,tolerant POV.
    You're obviously having a good time taunting him.

    that is all lol
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    One in the chamber. 12 in the magazine.

  6. I appreciate everybody's thoughts to chamber or not. This site is growing and if all of you would like to continue to grow, maybe respond in a respectful way and try to stay on point. This was my first post since I joined a couple of days ago. So when I asked about chambering, I was really concerned about it. I am extremely safe with my handgun and always...always assume their is one in the round. I have 4 children that has only seen my gun once, they see my small safe in the truck but don't know the combo. If it's not on me its in there. But there is always a chance, maybe .000000001% that they happen to find it and it's chambered.... In my thought process I feel there is more of a chance of that rather then a situation the deems it appropriate to draw and shoot.

    I could argue that we shouldn't holster but carry in our hand 100% of the time because there is error in drawing. I practice drawing and chambering all in one motion just as fast if I draw it. There are some great arguments concerning one arm injured, but would that also be the issue for everybody if the arm injured was the one you draw with?

    I plan on posting future comments, if you plan on replying, please use some respect. Referring to someone with names or insults doesn't really accomplish anything. My grandpa always said"if you argue with a fool it just looks like 2 fools arguing"

    For those that replied with respect, thank you. I am starting to feel more confident with either decision. Safety and Comfort.

    In God's Grips,
    Socket

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Socket View Post
    I appreciate everybody's thoughts to chamber or not. This site is growing and if all of you would like to continue to grow, maybe respond in a respectful way and try to stay on point. This was my first post since I joined a couple of days ago. So when I asked about chambering, I was really concerned about it. I am extremely safe with my handgun and always...always assume their is one in the round. I have 4 children that has only seen my gun once, they see my small safe in the truck but don't know the combo. If it's not on me its in there. But there is always a chance, maybe .000000001% that they happen to find it and it's chambered.... In my thought process I feel there is more of a chance of that rather then a situation the deems it appropriate to draw and shoot.

    I could argue that we shouldn't holster but carry in our hand 100% of the time because there is error in drawing. I practice drawing and chambering all in one motion just as fast if I draw it. There are some great arguments concerning one arm injured, but would that also be the issue for everybody if the arm injured was the one you draw with?

    I plan on posting future comments, if you plan on replying, please use some respect. Referring to someone with names or insults doesn't really accomplish anything. My grandpa always said"if you argue with a fool it just looks like 2 fools arguing"

    For those that replied with respect, thank you. I am starting to feel more confident with either decision. Safety and Comfort.

    In God's Grips,
    Socket
    Sir, I do apologize if any of those comments were directed towards any of my posts. I assure you I was not trying to be rude, and do encourage you to post here in the future.

    As far as your children finding the loaded firearm, that is different than carrying. If I had kids I would store unloaded...for carrying I choose to chamber.
    Quick to the gun, Sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. - Chris Costa

  8. My point is that racking a firearm is something stupid you see in movies. It is something that dumb idiot direct felt added extra "drama" to the scene, but it has no place in the real world. ...at least not when you are encountering a real criminal that intends you or others harm.

    Muscle memory is your friend. If you will practice removing your weapon from your holster and bringing the weapon to ready, then over time, you will learn how to properly. You just need to make sure that you are resting your trigger finger on the frame, under the slide, but above and outside of the trigger guard.

    If you practice this and take a course in judgmental pistol shooting(JPS), then you should never have a problem carrying a weapon with a round in the chamber.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    To Chamber or Not to Chamber...

    First and foremost- It is going to come down to your preference. All the forum debate will likely not influence you in one way or another. You've likely already made up your mind.

    That being said, you should know the pros/cons of both prior to carrying in any way:

    If you have the willpower and motivation to train in the Isralei method more power to you. When deployed successfully it is very fast and accurate. Like this guy:
    YouTube- Israeli Instinctive Shooting 1

    If you don't train train train you get this:
    These videos are good example for us to know which one is better to have one in chamber or none in chamber. I rather to have one in chamber to save my life and self defense and protect our love one.

    YouTube- Israeli Instinctive Shooting 1

    I can understand how people were freaking if it will discharging and they rather none in chamber. But that guy israel died from shooters in Jewerly store, because of no ammo in chamber to ready shooting.

    www.LiveLeak.com - Jewelery Store Shooting in Agra
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    13 in clip one in the pipe, iam proficent in all the weapons i own. i don' draw unless ready to shoot,don't try to grandstand, finger along frame untill ready to fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socket View Post
    So when I asked about chambering, I was really concerned about it. I am extremely safe with my handgun and always...always assume their is one in the round. I have 4 children that has only seen my gun once, they see my small safe in the truck but don't know the combo. If it's not on me its in there.
    First let me say that I understand your view point on your children I have 2 myself and my wife was raised guns are bad they kill blah blah blah but I was not. I understand you wanting your children to stay safe with the guns but is what I have done is the same way I was raised and have personal experiences with it working. I am not, let me repeat AM NOT saying what you do is wrong but what I do is what I feel is right. My son is now 5 he shot my 22 pistol (big for him) first when he was 4. I am very open with my guns around my kids and wife (she now has her carry permit). Yes some people will say it is stupid to introduce kids to guns I feel the opposite. I have tought my son gun safety since he could understand what I was doing (he was about 2 or 3), when he shot my little pistol I was with him and had my hand on the gun and only 3 rounds in the weapon. He is no longer courious as to what the gun(s) do. He does now know how to clear a weapon and how to treat a weapon but he also knows the first thing he does when he sees a weapon is RUN as fast as he can to mommy or daddy. I was raised the same way and ran to my parents when my friend decided to show me his dads gun (he found it and his dad didnt know) I have unloaded and cleared and then cleared and double checked it was unloaded and left my weapon in the open where my son was playing. I hid behind the corner where he thought I left the house. As soon as he took notice to the weapon he ran to find mom and tell her then took her and showed her where it was. Again I am not saying what you are doing is wrong but I have found what I do to work for me. My daughter is not a year old yet so she has not been introduced to safe handling or firing of the weapons YET.

    Not to mention just the other day my son came in crying from the play ground because another kid pointed his toy gun at my sons head. My son felt the fear because he knows about guns and what they do.

    As far as leaving your pistol in your truck I have to disagree with that unless it is a safe that there is no way to take out. If some breaks into your truck that safe will be the first thing gone (I would think) weather your weapon is in it or not. When my weapon is not on me it is in my night stand mag in, not chambered. I am not sure why but I pefer it not chambered if its not on me. just how I feel.

    I really hope that you will take my input with kids and think about it. As much as you want to protect your kids from guns they will be exposed sometime or another. They may or may not be the age you want them to be when you introduce them thats your choice and I feel you will choose what you find best. I pefer that when someone else tries to introduce my kids to guns that they will already know what to do and how to do it. If that means asking his friend to see the gun he just pulled out and clearing it and going to the parents then I feel confident he will. If he is not able to clear it out then he will know how to safely handle it till a parent or adult gets there. And please do not let a few (even if its me) ruin how you feel about this site. I truely believe this is the best "gun" site I have found and enjoy inputs from all corners for or against how I feel. You never know when that one jerk will say somthing that makes since because after all even a blind squirl gets a nut every now and then.

    I will stop now that I relize how long of a post this turned out to be.

    Be safe and God's speed
    Last edited by marionandjohn; 01-08-2010 at 02:34 PM. Reason: I had to fix a few fat finger mistakes sorry :(
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