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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    lmao! That must have hurt.
    Ouch, ouch, ouch!!!!

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  3. I am going to leave while some on here continue on with their small sword fight. If I post again, I will make certain to keep my eyes open for specific "posers". credibility and respect isn't achieved by arrogant opinions, but a track record of continued, well advanced, wise and intelligent post.

    I am now officially leaving this pissing contest.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socket View Post
    I am now officially leaving this pissing contest.....
    Hope this wasnt directed at me but I have to say it because I dont know if anyone else will and most of you can call me "the jerk" or what ever but I have to wonder how far I can piss. I usually just piss as far as I am standing from the toilet or tree never thought to measure the distant.
    "The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to ensure that the other guy dies for his country." - General Patton

  5. I'm new here but I've been shooting since I was old enough to keep both the butt and the barrel off the ground at the same time and I've been carrying concealed for about 20 years now.

    Here's a nickel's worth of my free opinion on the matter. Like it or don't like it, agree or disagree as you wish. Don't bother arguing, because I really don't care if you agree or not.

    If you are not comfortable carrying a loaded gun, don't waste your money on a concealed carry permit because you aren't ready to make use of it.

    If you don't want to carry a loaded gun because 'it's dangerous' or you might have an 'accident', what makes you think you will actually be able to use it if -heaven forbid- that time comes?

    If you are not comfortable carrying a particular gun with a round in the chamber, then it's not the gun for you to use as a concealed carry piece. Find one you are comfortable with.

    Carrying an unloaded gun -and a gun that won't go BANG when you disengage any safeties it has and press the trigger is unloaded- is being a gun bearer for a mugger. Do the rest of us a favor and leave it at home. That way, the mugger(s) can't take it away from you and use it on ME later.

    Yes, I have heard of the "Israeli Method". The Israelis that developed it are extraordinarily well trained warriors that have mastered multiple disciplines of both armed and unarmed combat.

    When you have studied multiple martial arts forms (including Krav Magav) for years and practiced countless hours and shot thousands of rounds of live fire to perfect your technique and make it instinctual, we can talk. Me? I'm lucky if I get to shoot a couple hundred rounds a month most of the time. That's just enough to keep the rust from setting in.

    Get Hollywood out of your mind. Muggers aren't going to slip out of an alley alone, walk right up to you with his hand in his coat pocket and say, "Gimme your wallet," like it's some '70's vigilante flick.

    They'll catch you distracted, out of position to protect yourself and isolated. Maybe you are loading groceries in your car or you're walking through the mall parking lot. And they may not be alone. You may end up fighting off an attacker with your hands. You may end up on the ground from the very beginning because they blitz attacked you. You may be injured and one arm may be incapacitated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptAmerica View Post
    Don't waste your time, a compliment from you holds little meaning. After reading through this forum I have very little respect for you right now.
    Awesome!

    Thanks man, first good laugh of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    I'm new here but I've been shooting since I was old enough to keep both the butt and the barrel off the ground at the same time and I've been carrying concealed for about 20 years now.

    Here's a nickel's worth of my free opinion on the matter. Like it or don't like it, agree or disagree as you wish. Don't bother arguing, because I really don't care if you agree or not.

    If you are not comfortable carrying a loaded gun, don't waste your money on a concealed carry permit because you aren't ready to make use of it.

    If you don't want to carry a loaded gun because 'it's dangerous' or you might have an 'accident', what makes you think you will actually be able to use it if -heaven forbid- that time comes?

    If you are not comfortable carrying a particular gun with a round in the chamber, then it's not the gun for you to use as a concealed carry piece. Find one you are comfortable with.

    Carrying an unloaded gun -and a gun that won't go BANG when you disengage any safeties it has and press the trigger is unloaded- is being a gun bearer for a mugger. Do the rest of us a favor and leave it at home. That way, the mugger(s) can't take it away from you and use it on ME later.

    Yes, I have heard of the "Israeli Method". The Israelis that developed it are extraordinarily well trained warriors that have mastered multiple disciplines of both armed and unarmed combat.

    When you have studied multiple martial arts forms (including Krav Magav) for years and practiced countless hours and shot thousands of rounds of live fire to perfect your technique and make it instinctual, we can talk. Me? I'm lucky if I get to shoot a couple hundred rounds a month most of the time. That's just enough to keep the rust from setting in.

    Get Hollywood out of your mind. Muggers aren't going to slip out of an alley alone, walk right up to you with his hand in his coat pocket and say, "Gimme your wallet," like it's some '70's vigilante flick.

    They'll catch you distracted, out of position to protect yourself and isolated. Maybe you are loading groceries in your car or you're walking through the mall parking lot. And they may not be alone. You may end up fighting off an attacker with your hands. You may end up on the ground from the very beginning because they blitz attacked you. You may be injured and one arm may be incapacitated.
    Amen brother... Amen
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    Unless I missed it no one addressed the situation where you do not have the use of your free hand to chamber a round in a self defense situation. You free hand/arm could be busy holding back an assailant or worse, your arm or hand could be incapacitated because of being injured or shot in the assault. Try chambering a round with just one hand and see what happens. You need to be able to draw and fire using only one hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye638 View Post
    Unless I missed it no one addressed the situation where you do not have the use of your free hand to chamber a round in a self defense situation. You free hand/arm could be busy holding back an assailant or worse, your arm or hand could be incapacitated because of being injured or shot in the assault. Try chambering a round with just one hand and see what happens. You need to be able to draw and fire using only one hand.
    I am pretty sure that I did early in this thread or maybe another. However I carry Condition 1 as many have said but I do only have the "block" style rear sights so that I can chamber one handed incase I have a misfire and my other arm is occupied. I simply take finger off triger point at ground and grab my belt with the rear sights and releasing the sights off the belt with out riding the slide foward. This is a very effective way and the only way I have figured to do this. off course if you carry a revolver then you just pull the trigger anywho. and they do make a holster (not sure the name) that instead of drawing up you draw down which chambers the round at that time. Again I am not sure how that holster works or the name I have only heard of them and never been around one. Again I am not saying carry not chambered but get comfortable with how you carry.
    "The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to ensure that the other guy dies for his country." - General Patton

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    When this subject comes up, I always am reminded of a famous quote by the old Texas Ranger Charlie Miller. It is: "Texas Ranger Charlie Miller was minding his own business when a concerned citizen came up to him, noted the hammer cocked back on the big 1911 dangling from the Ranger's belt, and asked, "Isn't that dangerous?" Charlie replied, "I wouldn't carry the son-of-a-***** if it wasn't dangerous." That alway struck me as a pretty good reply.
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    Something else to think about - many of the "mouse guns" (such as the Ruger LCP and the Kahr P380 and PM9) are pushing the envelope of having low slide mass, which therefore requires a more powerful recoil spring. The end result is that these guns are a little tricky to chamber the first round by racking the slide. The PM9 is a prime example. My PM9 has been 100% reliable but if, when racking the slide you "ride" the slide at all it will have trouble chambering. My LCP is the same way, albiet not as sensitive. These weapons are designed to be carried with one in the chamber, and in both cases are not fully cocked until the trigger is pulled.

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