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    Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    Different states have different requirements; in some a drivers license will do fine. Others want to see more proof, like voter registration, tax bill, utility bill, whatever.
    Yup, you are correct, I've registered a niece in school and established residency with just a utility bill, in a different state than NV. However, the initial question asked about a NV permit so that is what I referenced. .

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  3. What a bogus requirement.

    Say your "listed" pistol has to go back to the factory for repairs. Not at all unlikely, if it is a Taurus semi. So then what - you have to be naked until it's return?

    Keep your fingers crossed that the Supremes overturn the Appellate decision in re: NRA/MacDonald vs. Chicago, coming up in March. Then we'll have to get "reasonable restriction" defined, but at least the several states will all realize that the 2nd Amendment applies to them and they better damn well stop creating all these ridculous, meaningless, bureaucratic and administrative hurdles to concealed carry by law abiding citizens.

    That's almost as bad as Massachusetts requirement you belong to a gun club before they let you own a firearm.
    Apparently there the concept of class privilege hasn't died off yet.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants ... for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daugherty16 View Post
    Say your "listed" pistol has to go back to the factory for repairs. Not at all unlikely, if it is a Taurus semi. So then what - you have to be naked until it's return?

    Keep your fingers crossed that the Supremes overturn the Appellate decision in re: NRA/MacDonald vs. Chicago, coming up in March. Then we'll have to get "reasonable restriction" defined, but at least the several states will all realize that the 2nd Amendment applies to them and they better damn well stop creating all these ridculous, meaningless, bureaucratic and administrative hurdles to concealed carry by law abiding citizens.

    That's almost as bad as Massachusetts requirement you belong to a gun club before they let you own a firearm.
    Apparently there the concept of class privilege hasn't died off yet.
    What possible effect would McDonald have on NV's rule on listing your handgun on your CCW permit? They will say it is for citizen safety ands liken it to a driving test.

    I listed more than one for just that reason. I do admit some folks don't have more than one handgun. I liken it to having to leave your car in the shop and not have any transportation while it's being fixed.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Swinokur View Post
    What possible effect would McDonald have on NV's rule on listing your handgun on your CCW permit? They will say it is for citizen safety ands liken it to a driving test.

    I listed more than one for just that reason. I do admit some folks don't have more than one handgun. I liken it to having to leave your car in the shop and not have any transportation while it's being fixed.

    Simple - if the USSC rules that the 2A applies to states, the very next question that has to be answered is what restrictions will be allowed - but the answer will have to be a federal law, or additional USSC caselaw. There is no comparison to a drivers test, because driving is not a federally protected right.

    Example: The 1A guarantees among other things, freedom of speech. The theory of incorporation (14A) makes that applicable to the states (no citation at hand, but this was decided via USSC precedent). Thus your freedom of speech is not regulated differently in Nevada than it is in Utah or Connecticut. Your right to say outrageous or unpopular things in Tennessee is protected also in Maine because of the Constitution, which trumps all state law purporting to abridge or infringe on your rights.

    Currrent state laws addressing firearms are all over the map; i may be wrong but i believe the MacDonald case, if the 9th Circuit ruling is reversed, could result in a negation of the various and sundry state-level firearm laws. Some limitation of the RTKBA is inevitable; for example noone believes we will be free to purchase machine guns at the local Cabelas anytime soon. But the USSC will ultimatley hear cases concerning constitutionality of things like Nevada's requirement that you list your guns on your permit. It may even trigger another wave of states converting to Shall-Issue, to head off Federal preemption of their existing laws. I expect it will also probably open the door to national reciprocity.

    Public safety is not enhanced one bit by Nevada knowing whether you're carrying a 9mm or a .44. Or by MA gun owners being required to belong to a gun club. Taking a firearm safety class? Seems like a reasonable prerequisite to ownership. Taking a live fire proficiency test for concealed carry? That could be argued to have merit also. My point is, this is likely to usher in national standards. Sort of the way the Miranda warning was born out of Miranda v. Arizona in 1966, to both protect a person's right to avoid coercive self-incrimination and to establish admissibility of evidence gained from a talkative suspect.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants ... for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daugherty16 View Post
    Simple - if the USSC rules that the 2A applies to states, the very next question that has to be answered is what restrictions will be allowed - but the answer will have to be a federal law, or additional USSC caselaw. There is no comparison to a drivers test, because driving is not a federally protected right.

    Example: The 1A guarantees among other things, freedom of speech. The theory of incorporation (14A) makes that applicable to the states (no citation at hand, but this was decided via USSC precedent). Thus your freedom of speech is not regulated differently in Nevada than it is in Utah or Connecticut. Your right to say outrageous or unpopular things in Tennessee is protected also in Maine because of the Constitution, which trumps all state law purporting to abridge or infringe on your rights.

    Currrent state laws addressing firearms are all over the map; i may be wrong but i believe the MacDonald case, if the 9th Circuit ruling is reversed, could result in a negation of the various and sundry state-level firearm laws. Some limitation of the RTKBA is inevitable; for example noone believes we will be free to purchase machine guns at the local Cabelas anytime soon. But the USSC will ultimatley hear cases concerning constitutionality of things like Nevada's requirement that you list your guns on your permit. It may even trigger another wave of states converting to Shall-Issue, to head off Federal preemption of their existing laws. I expect it will also probably open the door to national reciprocity.

    Public safety is not enhanced one bit by Nevada knowing whether you're carrying a 9mm or a .44. Or by MA gun owners being required to belong to a gun club. Taking a firearm safety class? Seems like a reasonable prerequisite to ownership. Taking a live fire proficiency test for concealed carry? That could be argued to have merit also. My point is, this is likely to usher in national standards. Sort of the way the Miranda warning was born out of Miranda v. Arizona in 1966, to both protect a person's right to avoid coercive self-incrimination and to establish admissibility of evidence gained from a talkative suspect.
    My point was not the legality or the ability of NV to know what you may carry. They will simply state that the requirement of listing your weapons is to show proficiency and knowledge of a deadly weapon, which a court will probably interrpret as a reasonable requirement and not one that would violate the 2A. NV would still be considered a shall issue state. The comparison to the drivers license was to illustrate the requirement to show proficiency in the name of public safety, not to compare a right or privilege.

    being functionally "disarmed" because your gun needs to go out to be repaired would be irrelevant to NV as far as the 2A goes IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daugherty16 View Post
    simple - if the ussc rules that the 2a applies to states, the very next question that has to be answered is what restrictions will be allowed - but the answer will have to be a federal law, or additional ussc caselaw. There is no comparison to a drivers test, because driving is not a federally protected right.

    Example: The 1a guarantees among other things, freedom of speech. The theory of incorporation (14a) makes that applicable to the states (no citation at hand, but this was decided via ussc precedent). Thus your freedom of speech is not regulated differently in nevada than it is in utah or connecticut. Your right to say outrageous or unpopular things in tennessee is protected also in maine because of the constitution, which trumps all state law purporting to abridge or infringe on your rights.

    Currrent state laws addressing firearms are all over the map; i may be wrong but i believe the macdonald case, if the 9th circuit ruling is reversed, could result in a negation of the various and sundry state-level firearm laws. Some limitation of the rtkba is inevitable; for example noone believes we will be free to purchase machine guns at the local cabelas anytime soon. But the ussc will ultimatley hear cases concerning constitutionality of things like nevada's requirement that you list your guns on your permit. It may even trigger another wave of states converting to shall-issue, to head off federal preemption of their existing laws. I expect it will also probably open the door to national reciprocity.

    Public safety is not enhanced one bit by nevada knowing whether you're carrying a 9mm or a .44. Or by ma gun owners being required to belong to a gun club. Taking a firearm safety class? Seems like a reasonable prerequisite to ownership. Taking a live fire proficiency test for concealed carry? That could be argued to have merit also. My point is, this is likely to usher in national standards. Sort of the way the miranda warning was born out of miranda v. Arizona in 1966, to both protect a person's right to avoid coercive self-incrimination and to establish admissibility of evidence gained from a talkative suspect.
    Well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swinokur View Post
    I rented a Kimber for my NV CCW permit, so the serial number really can't be used on your permit. I brought my 2 Glocks with me from MD and no one wrote down those serial numbers either.
    Ok then, thx. Sounds as if that requirement has changed. I'll check on that to be sure I can carry all my 9s and 45s of the same types, calibers, etc., when I need to renew. It's nice to have backups of my backups that are the same.

  9. Perhaps I am talking about two seperate things here but it was my distinct understanding that one only needed to list firearms in Clark County if one was a resident for more than 60 days (resident meaning that you are there in body).

    Is this seperate from the requirement to list firearms thatyou have qualified with on our CCW permit? Jeez I have a bunch - if this is the case perhaps I will have to drag them all with me when I come to get my permit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torontogunguy View Post
    Perhaps I am talking about two seperate things here but it was my distinct understanding that one only needed to list firearms in Clark County if one was a resident for more than 60 days (resident meaning that you are there in body).

    Is this seperate from the requirement to list firearms thatyou have qualified with on our CCW permit? Jeez I have a bunch - if this is the case perhaps I will have to drag them all with me when I come to get my permit?

    Regards
    Maybe we are. I don't live in Clark County, I'm in Nye. I don't know what is listed on the Clark County CCW. Luke may have a pic of one posted in the CCW permit forum, IDK. I tried to send him a pic of mine but somehow failed to get the picture to work. On my Nye County CCW card it's listed on the back what I qualified to cc, each pistol is listed separately. I don't know anything about the 60 day residency rule in Clark/Las Vegas. I'm sure there might be people on this forum who would know. Maybe netentity or gf or others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Maybe we are. I don't live in Clark County, I'm in Nye. I don't know what is listed on the Clark County CCW. Luke may have a pic of one posted in the CCW permit forum, IDK. I tried to send him a pic of mine but somehow failed to get the picture to work. On my Nye County CCW card it's listed on the back what I qualified to cc, each pistol is listed separately. I don't know anything about the 60 day residency rule in Clark/Las Vegas. I'm sure there might be people on this forum who would know. Maybe netentity or gf or others.
    I have a CCW from Clark County I received last month. All handguns are and MUST be listed on your permit, regardless of the length of time you stay. . I carried my 2 Glocks from MD and rented a Kimber whn I qualified because my travel case could not hold all 3 pistols.

    Clark County has a separate law regarding registration. (The Blue card) Handguns with serial numbers must be registered with LVMPD if you are in Clark County for 60 contiguous days. If you go out of state for one day, the count starts again AFAIK.

    The registration law applies even if you don't have a CCW permit.

    IANAL

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