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    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    A man stopped an intruder dead in his tracks with one shot from a .380. A guy was walking through a field when a wild boar attacked him, he downed it with one shot from his .380. A man came home to find a black bear had broken in his house, one shot to the head with his.380 killed it. YES, a .380 is enough gun. I used to carry a .380 and trusted it. But I have since sold it and now have two .32 acp guns that I use for home defense/carry.
    Any source for your stories or are they just made up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    A man stopped an intruder dead in his tracks with one shot from a .380. A guy was walking through a field when a wild boar attacked him, he downed it with one shot from his .380. A man came home to find a black bear had broken in his house, one shot to the head with his.380 killed it. YES, a .380 is enough gun. I used to carry a .380 and trusted it. But I have since sold it and now have two .32 acp guns that I use for home defense/carry.


    Quote Originally Posted by bofh View Post
    Any source for your stories or are they just made up?
    His source is another gun forum. He's been spreading that fantasy since he got here, and I finally had enough of it a little more than a year after he got here:

    Quote Originally Posted by cluznar View Post
    I carry a Bersa Thunder .380 and know it will do the job. .380 is fast becoming very popular as a carry gun. I believe the fact that people have used it to kill coyote, wild boar and bear have made others realize the .380 will do the job. The majority of America are not going to carry a .40 S&W or a .45 acp. Most people want something easily concealed and powerful enough to do the job yet not hard to shoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post


    A poster on the Bersa Forums says he "knows" somebody that killed a bear with a .380, and this guy claims it as a "fact" to justify his obsession with under-powered, ballistically-challenged rounds.

    Newsflash genius: Killing a young adult black bear with two rounds from a .380 could only be accomplished by the luckiest two shots in the history of history. Either that, or someone else on the Bersa Forums besides you is so obsessed with his ignorant and false sense of security that he thinks the .380 is the magic round that can stop all comers no matter the size (mass), thickness of skin and/or bone (skull) or proximity of target that is armed with claws that could open your head like a cantaloupe with one swipe.

    And the "majority" of Americans don't carry a .380. Some do, and that's fine with me, but good grief, your constant exaggerations about how your .380 or .32 will "do the job" on basically any species that draws breath is just ridiculous blather that proves you don't know the first thing about the ballistic profiles of the weapons you choose to carry.

    Blues
    And that exchange happened more than two years ago now.

    There's a sad (but true) current story out of SC that some would say is the perfect illustrative metaphor for the inadequate brain-power and perfectly-adequate firepower at point-blank range of those who are stupid enough to rely exclusively on the .380 round for combat against other human beings:

    New Year's News from South Carolina:

    CHEROKEE COUNTY, S.C. — A Gaffney man was killed while playing with a gun at his house New Year’s Eve.

    Witnesses say Tezlar Wayne Ross, 20, and three other people were in his bedroom looking at a .380 handgun when he reportedly took the clip out of the gun and placed it to his head joking with the others when it discharged.

    Ross was pronounced dead at the scene.

    “This is certainly a tragic way to end the year. Guns are not toys and this is an example of what happens when they are treated as such and not respected. My heart breaks for this family,” Cherokee County Coroner Dennis Fowler said.
    Yes, the .380 round that young Mr. Ross discharged into his own head "did the job," but for those thinking that a cast iron frying pan swung with less-than-full-force to the side of Mr. Ross' head by any relatively healthy adult, also at point-blank range BTW, wouldn't have likewise "done the job," that is what I mean when I say the story is a metaphor for people who lack brain-power. There are air-guns that fire .17 caliber pellets that could've "done the job" at point-blank range just as "effectively."

    The question of the OP has to do with ballistics, period. The .380 round has enough power to be considered "deadly," but out of all the handgun rounds that one might consider carrying, at best it only exceeds .22 LR, .25 and (maybe) .32 caliber rounds in ballistic profiling. That leaves a wide variety of handguns and rounds that are still reasonably easily concealable with much more energy delivered to the target at a longer distance than the .380 even has the potential to deliver under optimal circumstances.

    Choose based on ballistics, not on the ease or comfort of concealment.

    Blues
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwg3 View Post
    Ya but I am not defending aginst them ever dangerous 50 gallon drums
    Well, I guess you're not defending against being obtuse, either. Any round which will penetrate

    both sides of a 50 gallon drum should get the job done, at SD ranges.

    BTW, the hot-poo 45ACP round? Made a nice dent, but didn't even penetrate the first

    side of the drum. These are tests I have personally made at a private range. But don't

    do anything singular, like taking somebody's word for it. Try it on an empty 50 gallon

    drum at your range. But if you do, please have the decency to post you verified my

    results. Until then, I went to all this trouble because I'm a liar...

  5. is .380 enough gun?

    I really don't like the caliber wars as its a lot of conjecture and subjective ( at best ) data.

    So read this. It was done in 2002 when the FBI last looked at calibers by examination of real data involving LEOs.

    In a nutshell it seems to not really matter. It's all placement. Add to that handguns are pretty ineffective overall.

    http://www.rrmemphis.com/myth.pdf


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  6. No one is calling you a liar but over penetration can get a person in as much trouble as not stopping the threat and that is why most ddicated self deffence round are made to have a rapid expansion for a large wound track and moderate penetration

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  7. Also consider the ammo you're using. I purposely order some Underwood Fracturing ammo. 1240 fps. for my wifes S&W Bodyguard. The load fired in a .380 can make quite a difference.

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    Just joined this forum, so I haven't read this entire, very long thread. Hopefully, my comments won't be too redundant. I think the caliber of the pistol depends to a great extent on the carrier/shooter. Carrying a .380 is better than not carrying at all, so if the .380 is the largest caliber that the carrier/shooter is comfortable and proficient with, then it's good enough. My wife currently carries a .380, but as she gains experience and proficiency, she may very well move up to 9mm. I am happy that she carries the .380 for now, since I'd rather have her carry something than nothing. So, the bottom line is, as usual, different strokes for different folks. Whatever works best for the person is what they should carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramden View Post
    Also consider the ammo you're using. I purposely order some Underwood Fracturing ammo. 1240 fps. for my wifes S&W Bodyguard. The load fired in a .380 can make quite a difference.
    From Underwood:

    Caliber: 380 ACP
    Bullet Weight: 75 Grains
    Bullet Style: Lehigh Defense CF
    Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated Brass
    Ballistics Information:
    Muzzle Velocity: 1240 fps
    Muzzle Energy: 256 ft. lbs.
    Penetration Min (in) Base: 10
    Penetration Min (in) Petals: 7.5

    Expansion Min (in) 5.5
    This round under-penetrates. The "expansion" is related to the spread of the individual fragments and not to the expansion of a single projectile.

  10. Underwood makes some excellent personal defense ammo for the .380. Over 1200 F.P.S. fracturing rounds. Check it out on u-tube.

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    If you want to put your life at risk and carry the equivalent of a low, power bb gun then go ahead carry a .380, sure, you won't be able to protect your family and will only be able to watch them die, but hey at least you were comfortable. Or, you can carry a .45, .357, 10mm, .454 casull, etc., and put down any dirtbag looking to cause you grief.

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