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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    I thought that the new TX law merely removed the penalty for not informing...?
    You're talking about something different. Three things happened over time in this order:

    1. Texas became a shall-issue state and the law was made that you had to show your permit when stopped or you would lose your CHL and be fined.
    2. Automobile concealed carry without a permit was passed with no requirement to inform the LEO, however the requirement for permit holders was not rescinded (by oversight).
    3. In order to rectify #2 they removed much of the teeth from the penalty for permit holders but I believe it is still considered an offense. However, they can't lift your CHL for it. Someone may correct me on that.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
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    Changes to UT law in May 2009 allow for loaded handguns in the vehicle without a permit as long as it's not on your person. This has put many officers on edge. Along with the fact that laws are constantly changing, I find it a lot less complicating to be up front with the LEO and let them know you have a permit (if you have one). Specific to UT, I advise students that if they choose to have a loaded gun in the car until (not on their person) while they are waiting for their CFP, it would be good practice to keep their license, registration and proof of insurance in a place that is seperate from where they keep their firearm (as in don't put your loaded gun in the glove box with your documents). You're not required to inform LEO that you have a loaded gun in the car, but follow the same procedures as I stated earlier (except providing the CFP for obvious reasons). If the LEO asks a question, be polite about it. I've heard from students who were asked "do you have any weapons in the vehicle". They politely responded and informed the officer where the handgun was located, AND advised the officer as to the location of their documents. In both cases, the officer was pleased that they were up front and honest and let them off with a simple warning. I'm not making any represntations as to what will happen in any particular situation, only saying that in what I've heard, it turned out better that they were up front about having a firearm in the vehicle and didn't get any hassles because of it.



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  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    You're talking about something different. Three things happened over time in this order:

    1. Texas became a shall-issue state and the law was made that you had to show your permit when stopped or you would lose your CHL and be fined.
    2. Automobile concealed carry without a permit was passed with no requirement to inform the LEO, however the requirement for permit holders was not rescinded (by oversight).
    3. In order to rectify #2 they removed much of the teeth from the penalty for permit holders but I believe it is still considered an offense. However, they can't lift your CHL for it. Someone may correct me on that.
    With regard to item 3, I got this from the TX DPS website:

    HB 410 Failure to Display
    Repeals (in part) the provisions relating to the requirement of license holders to display the license upon demand for identification by a peace officer (411.187(a),(c), and 411.205). Failure to display the license upon demand for identification by peace officer will no longer be grounds for suspension of license (currently 90 day suspension). The offense itself remains, albeit without penalty. HB 2730 Article 12A
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

  5. #14
    As far as I know, I am 39 and when I was 23 in Indiana you used to
    be required by law to inform the LEO's. But now I dint believe you do.
    And they won't let you get a renewal for a lifetime before 180 days of experation

  6. #15
    In Oregon, there is no requirement to notify, but it is highly recommended. Many traffic stops will have a primary officer and a backup. Many times that backup / rider will be a reserve. Many times, for training, the primary officer will have the reserve officer do the stop. The reserve office is not a full time officer and his knowledge of laws can be limited. In either case, the second officer will "inspect" the vehicle through the windows. I highly recommend letting the officer know you have a CHL and that you are carrying (or a loaded gun is in the vehicle) and ask how they would like to proceed. I highly recommend not using the word "GUN" in the conversation, the backup or a second vehicle that just pulled up, may not hear the conversation correctly.

    On the not so funny side, I even dropped my drivers license along side my drivers seat during one stop. I had to get out of the vehicle and reach under the seat to get the license. Since he already had my CHL there was no issue with me out of the car, back to him, and hand under the seat retreiving my license.

    No, not all officers like the idea of armed citizens, but most respect the law. Just trying to minimize the unexpected for them.

    Just some opinions and recommendations.

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    In SC you are required to provide your CCW and inform the officer if you are carrying. If you are not carrying concealed (weapon in glove box), no need to inform officer, and I do not. I keep my weapon in the console, insurance info in the glove. I conceal carry in my pocket, so carrying in the console is more convenient in the truck.

  8. I always give the leo my drivers license and chl. In Texas they know if you have a chl when they run your license plate number, at least severl leo's told me that story. Hell, I'm proud of my chl and will show it to anyone that wants to see it. I feel that being open and giving it to the leo shows I'm not trying to hide anything.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by drjavelina View Post
    I always give the leo my drivers license and chl. In Texas they know if you have a chl when they run your license plate number, at least severl leo's told me that story. Hell, I'm proud of my chl and will show it to anyone that wants to see it. I feel that being open and giving it to the leo shows I'm not trying to hide anything.
    Providing your CC license "up front" with your drivers license makes perfect sense to me, especially if you have a weapon on your person. I started this thread cause I seen a video of a LEO pullling over an auto and as he approached the drivers window the driver shot him. Ya know, if he asked you to step out of the vehicle and something flashed where he seen a weapon and he was unaware we can legally carry, to my mind that could start a tense situation. Anyway I appreciate all the inputs. I for one will make slow deliberate respectable moves as instructed and proivde my license up front.

  10. #19
    I have not had the pleasure to have been pulled over while carring, but I think that I would not hesitate to tell the officer. Heck, aren't we on the same side? I see it as common respect. He/she are doing thier job in attempting to enforce traffic laws. No need to make a thankless job more difficult. Who knows, you might get into a conversation about shooting and walk away with just a warning.

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    Hey Geezer1: These forums have discussed this time and time again and for every answer one way, there is always an answer the other way. In many states it is easy--ie. in SC, where I live, you must present your CCWP if you are CC--period end of story. In other states there is no clear direction; personally I agree with Glock Fan---I see no reason to "surprise" an LEO--but others will argue that you are opening a "pandora's box" by telling an LEO something "dangerous" that he did not ask about, thus putting you at risk before an LEO who may not even know what the rules for CC are in his state. Some states are beginning to have info on CCWPs in their data base that will appear on an LEO's screen when he prompts for your car info--if you have not told him anything, he could find that somewhat suspicious thus causing you more problems.

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