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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    There's one service that Hollywood has been doing for us - and that is teaching the BG's to hold the gun incorrectly when they shoot.
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  3. I wore body armor in Texas for several years (security guard). For me, it's just too much hassle to wear on a daily basis, especially in the summer heat. For me the inconvenience outweights any probability that I might actually need it.

    Flex cuffs are definately out of the question for me. I ain't detaining nobody! I'm either going to shoot to defend my life, or be a good witness for the police if the situation arises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    Most of us are carrying for protection against criminal attack. If the BG is armed with a gun and gets the drop on us how likely is it that we will prevail? We're relying on surprise and a lot of luck to be able to draw and fire before the BG does. Seems like we should be considering body armor. I admit I don't know much about the subject. Is it available to the general public? How much does it cost? Is it impractical to wear? Is there any such thing as comfortable body armor?
    avid, it's available to anyone it's advertized in shotgun news i'm suprised they havn't made it illegal it may be in some places
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    Quote Originally Posted by roho-amarillo View Post
    avid, it's available to anyone it's advertized in shotgun news i'm suprised they havn't made it illegal it may be in some places
    In certain areas, commiting a crime while wearing body armor is a crime also. Doulble wammy if caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    In certain areas, committing a crime while wearing body armor is a crime also. Double wammy if caught.
    In fact, in most of the states who's laws I have read so far, (I have yet to read them all, but I'm working on it) ex felons are prohibited from wearing body armor. (Kinda messed up, since they are prohibited from carrying a defensive weapon. The least we could do is allow them to wear a passive device for defense. But I digress...)

    Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    Don't need it. I ain't got no business going someplace I MIGHT need body armor.

    Being involved in a self defense confrontation (or Heaven forbid, a actual shooting) and having the LEO discover you are wearing a vest is gonna make it look like you are hunting for trouble. A clever DA with an agenda or the just opinion that you ARE guilty is gonna have a field day about how you were armored up and walking the streets.
    Really? Could the same not be said about carrying a firearm? Oh wait, it is often said about carrying a firearm. The argument is equally preposterous in either case.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearSightTactical View Post
    Its not that expensive, you're talking about $400-800 depending on the level and brand. It is also not generally restricted but does vary by state. My state allows body armor.



    And that's where we get into a difference of opinion. If the neighborhood of my favorite resteraunt, the one i've been eating at since I was a kid turns into a 'bad area of town' then am I duty bound by some unspoken rule to not eat there? I understand what you're saying, but there is a point where if we just stay in our comfort zones the criminal element wins. If I drive an extra 20 minutes because i'm afraid to put gas in a certain part of town I've lost my freedom in a sense.

    As for comfort, humans are extremely adaptable- that being said I rarely wear a vest even when on duty because its so freakin' hot and cumbersome, but if its something you feel you could wear day in and day out then more power to you. I'd also agree that if you were involved in some sort of deadly force incident it would raise some eyebrows.
    clear site, that's what i like most about this site you get a lot of new views on any subject you are right on with this one if we give up our freedom of movement it's just one more lost one thing i would like to add to anyone who has one don't let it give you a false sense of security it won't stop everything and it will only cover your torso
    molon labe

  9. Quote Originally Posted by roho-amarillo View Post
    clear site, that's what i like most about this site you get a lot of new views on any subject you are right on with this one if we give up our freedom of movement it's just one more lost one thing i would like to add to anyone who has one don't let it give you a false sense of security it won't stop everything and it will only cover your torso
    Thanks. This site is awesome for evaluating a situation a full 360 degress when normally we just see our own thoughts, initially.

    Good point about not giving you a false sense of security. Not only do they leave your neck, head, groin, legs, etc. exposed but depending on your body type even if you took a round in the vest you could still have major internal complications from the blunt trauma that it would cause up to and including death.

    They're also "Bullet resistant" not Bullet "Proof".

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    These are all valid points but when I first posted this I was thinking that our main objective is to survive an encounter with a BG. If we can capture or kill him great but all we want to do is live full, peaceful lives. That's why folks on this board for the most part don't advocate going to dangerous places, carrying flex cuffs (we're not cops), getting involved in a 3rd party encounter, etc. etc.

    Seems to me that the gun provides some protection but it is more offensive in nature than defensive. If our main objective is to survive and fight another day my thinking was that we need something to stop the first bullet so that we have a chance to either run away if possible or draw and return fire. The BG is always going to make the first move.
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  11. Definitely some valid points, and I completely see your reasoning behind wanting to wear body armor. The thing is, we really can't prepare ourselves for everything. The chance of any of us being in a situation where we ever have to draw our weapon, is pretty slim. Wearing body armor could potentially save you one day from a bad guy, but that's if they somehow come in guns blazing. That's why a lot of us choose not to sit at the front of a restaurant, and instead opt for a table where we can sit and observe who comes in, just incase. If you're walking by yourself, and a bad guy manages to corner you, then your awareness was way off to begin with.

    The fact is, we can't be prepared for anything, and we all have to draw that line when it starts becoming impractical. The weight, cost, and discomfort of wearing body armor doesn't seem practical to me, for day in, day out wear. It may stop a 9mm, but anything more powerful than that and you're adding a blunt trauma pad (more weight, discomfort). It's also not even guaranteed that it will stop a round coming through, and most of the time they're only good for that first shot. It won't do diddly-squat against AP rounds, or any rifle round of any kind, unless you add in ballistic plates (way more weight, discomfort, and cost).

    So, if you decide to invest in all this for personal protection, and can handle the discomfort, then good on you. Who knows, a person thinking along your lines could have lived instead of died, during the Washington sniper shootings. Then again, you could always end up getting hit in the head. I just don't really see any practicality in it at all. Of course now I'll probably end up getting shot right in the chest by a survivable round, had I been armored up

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