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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    I completely diaagree. BG's have family and friends, especially if he's a gang member, and I don't want to be left empty-handed after shooting a perp.
    " I don't want to be left empty-handed after shooting a perp"

    What makes you think you are going to shoot one?

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  3. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by theicemanmpls View Post
    " I don't want to be left empty-handed after shooting a perp"

    What makes you think you are going to shoot one?
    Go back and read the previous posts.
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  4. Definitely a great thread we have going here. We all have strong beliefs on this issue. The more I consider the guidelines for our gun shop I believe a simple sign stating "Please Keep Concealed Firearms Concealed" will suffice for most customers. As for how to address a loaded firearm, I'm still not sure how that sign will read yet.

    This thread brings to light an important topic for customers especially. What is proper etiquette in a gun shop with a concealed/loaded gun? As a customer you should ask your local shops policy if you feel you need to take your gun out. Shop owners are not attacking the right to carry by asking you not to bring a firearm loaded in their store. It's deeper than that. They are protecting their customers and their tens maybe hundreds of thousands in inventory from potential theft. I can just picture a customer taking out their gun and another interpreting this as some type of aggression with a terrible result. I would encourage all customers to ask their local gun shop owners what their policy is? The point is to avoid all accidents.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ayotte50 View Post
    They are protecting their customers and their tens maybe hundreds of thousands in inventory from potential theft. I can just picture a customer taking out their gun and another interpreting this as some type of aggression with a terrible result.
    Yup, you got that one right.

    When I was working behind the counter, I figured if somebody was going to rob the place while we were open, they were either going to come in shooting or were going to get in close and draw down on me. That's the way I'd do it if I was a criminal bound and determined to rob a gun shop during business hours. Even the dumbest meth or crack heads understand that if you are robbing a GUN shop, chances are folks that own it and work there not only have guns but they are handy, loaded and the folks know how to use them. I believe they realize that trying to rob an open gun shop like they were pulling a hold up at the local 7-11 was a quick way to get a toe tag and 6' of real estate that nobody could ever take away from you.

    That kind of thinking can make you a bit leery (maybe even nervous) when a stranger comes in and surprises you when he pulls out a gun. It's best for ALL concerned if he makes his intentions clear before he does something like that. I agree with the idea that if you need to carry a gun into a shop, it needs to be unloaded and in a case instead of loaded on your hip if for no other reasons than to cut down on the misunderstandings. If I'd shot the guy in my previous post, I don't think there's not a jury in Alabama would have convicted me for a crime. He had a loaded gun in his hand that was concealed behind his back as he approached the counter at a fast walk and he hadn't made any of his intentions clear. I was alone in a gun shop with a couple hundred thousand dollars of inventory in it.

    Strangers with guns didn't bother me. I see that on the range all the time. I was VERY observant when it came to how they were handling the guns. I even took a gun away from a guy or two when they were looking at items for sale and I ended up looking down the muzzle. (I always thought I was very restrained on those occasions, I didn't draw my gun, nobody had any broken bones and there was no blood spilled.) I don't care if I did just clear it before I handed it to him, you don't point guns at anything you ain't willing to shoot and you treat guns like they are loaded at all times. That means you don't point a gun at somebody unless you mean to shoot them and if you point a gun at me, I assume you mean me harm.

  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by ayotte50 View Post
    ... As for how to address a loaded firearm, I'm still not sure how that sign will read yet...
    Just a thought, not sure if any other shop does this, is it possible to create an "Clearing Station" in or outside of your shop? Maybe a small, protected (bullet and sound proofed and maybe security camera) cubical where you and/or a customer can walk into to properly unload their weapon if needed in order to try a new holster or whatever their needs are.
    It would seem that it may limit liability even if a ND happens because the discharge would be confined to this station if a proper loaded guns policy is set and understood by your customers.
    Take a look at the link below for a look at a clearing device that could be used in the cubicle. Again, just a thought.

    Look at this---> Clearing Stations

  7. #26
    Amen JTG452.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
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    At my local shop they know me by name and see me in there all the time. I still ask permission before doing so. I was in there today to see if the holster I asked the owners wife to order for me came in. As soon as I walked in she pointed at me and said "it's here". She brought it to me and as I always do, I asked if I could try the fit. She gave me permission to remove my weapon from my holster, make it safe and try the fit.

    Since they own (or lease the) store and are liable for anything that happens there I treat it like it were someones home. If someone comes into my house and the discussion of firearms comes up and becomes a show and tell session I ask for the weapon and unload it and make it safe. I'm not inclined to allow people in my house armed. Most people that come to visit know I am.

    Perhaps posting a policy and asking patrons to read it would be a good idea. If I were asked to read and understand the rules of the shop, I would have no issue with that. As the business owner you have the right to provide a safe environment for your valued patrons. Show and tell with live ammo is too risky.

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  9. I agree with many of the other posters here.

    The reason for gun shops demanding that people unload and case the firearms they bring in is because of too many people making mistakes. This of course burdens the rest of us who have common sense, restraint, and are responsible with the tools we carry with us.

    As much as it pains me, I will not criticize those firearms dealers who post such a sign. It is indeed for those who are careless. I believe that I am not careless, but in this case I shall respect the request of a businessman who has considered the risks and requested that people obey certain protocols. (Caveat, There are many who also believe they are not careless, but fall short in many ways.)

    This doesn't apply to malls, or other reactive gun-free zones. Those are stupid. The response to a very real and conspicuous risk by posting a store policy is understandable to me. Obvious threats are obvious, but mistakes are too easy to make if one is too comfortable.

  10. #29
    The problem as I see it is these customers feel too comfortable in the friendly surroundings of a gun store. While they would never pull their weapon at the mall or in a restaurant (unless threatened) they feel they can at a gun store because the owner and other patrons are like-minded, freedom-loving gun enthusiasts. But even I get a bit nervous when people start pulling weapons and waving them around. Best to keep them holstered and concealed unless you need to use them.
    Avidshooter (Texas)
    "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." -- Plutarch

  11. #30
    A gun store without a bulllet hole in the wall hasn't been open very long. Some very good points in this thread and we all have to remember is that the majority of people walking into a gun store, even if they have a permit and are carrying concealed are not nearly as familiar with gun safety rules as most people posting on this board. You ask the average person about a sign such as keep your concealed weapon concealed you will find that the sign does not apply to them. If you call them on it they get mad and leave. Ther is a thread on another board about a manager of a business responding to a question about why they have a no guns allowed sign on the front door of the store. The manager decided to ban guns in the store when they found the third gun in the dressing room in less than two years. Yes they walk among us.

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