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    I just called the Florida Department of Agriculture, Division of Licensing, 850-245-5691 and asked them if you could only carry 1 firearm with a valid permit or more, she said only one.

    I've also shot an email over to ORLANDO GUN, CONCEALED WEAPONs, & SELF DEFENSE LAWYER JON H. GUTMACHER, Esq. | Florida Firearms Law Book to see what he says about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lukem View Post
    I just called the Florida Department of Agriculture, Division of Licensing, 850-245-5691 and asked them if you could only carry 1 firearm with a valid permit or more, she said only one.

    I've also shot an email over to ORLANDO GUN, CONCEALED WEAPONs, & SELF DEFENSE LAWYER JON H. GUTMACHER, Esq. | Florida Firearms Law Book to see what he says about it.

    Thanks that clears it all up...............

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    Good move. That should clear it up for anyone not already clear.

    In Florida, state licensed class "K" firearms instructors are the only non-lawyers allowed by law to teach the law without a college degree, Florida Bar association, or a Department of Education accreditation. The curriculum is provided by the Division of Licensing for use by Class "K" instructors like myself.

    Only if I am in a training class do I instruct students on the law, because you paid me as a client to learn what I am trained to teach. In a forum like this, I always predicate my comments with a disclosure as I did herein.

    If you need legal advice, always call a lawyer. If you want to learn to carry concealed safely and legally in the great state of Florida, I am licensed to teach you the laws. How you interpret it is why you need a lawyer.
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    I also emailed Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services division of licensing that is who regulates Florida CCW

    I'm not trying to stir things up I don't want to start a fight or get into flaming or yelling or bashing each other. it is just that depending on who you talk to it is there interpretation of the law because in my opinion
    the license no where spells it out saying exactly you may carry only 1 weapon I'm not posting anything to say I told you so or you are wrong I only post things to make the argument that you can interpret the laws in many ways. I'm not a lawyer or by any means a expert these are just my opinions..

    I had a situation in Maryland about a stock factory installed windshield on a motorcycle. long story short the Maryland law read in part a factory installed windshield was considered legal eye protection. one official told me that because I was taller then the windshield it was not legal eye protection I went to his supervisor and explained the situation and he told me as long as it was a factor installed windshield that it was legal eye protection even if I was taller then the windshield. So like I said even though some person that works for the licensing place there interpretation of the carry license only being able to carry 1 weapon they may be wrong ?
    And you can pick out all kinds of different interpretations as far as reading the rules and saying what parts says weapon singular not plural because all through the rules is say weapon and weapons. I just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing and not braking any laws if I carry more then 1 weapon.
    Below is another example of interpretation as far as saying weapon or weapons .
    So hopefully I will get the answer back from the big boys at the Florida licensing office and I will go by what they say or what the Lawyer says the other guy emailed.
    I do like to ask questions in this forum and get others opinions on things and I do like to discuss and give and receive others take on things.
    That is why forums like this are around they are great fun with lots of very intelligent and interesting people with great ideas and different personalitys..

    So in closing please do not flame me or call me names I do not want get into any of that stuff...

    And please excuse the punctuation and misspelling I'm not real good at writing things down..

    FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
    AND CONSUMER SERVICES
    In receiving a license to carry a concealed
    weapon
    for lawful self-defense, you are
    undertaking a great responsibility. A license
    to carry a concealed weapon is not a license
    to use it. I am sure you share my hope that
    you will never find it necessary to use a
    weapon in self-defense. If you do, the law
    will protect you only if you have acted
    within the law. Those who are choosing to
    arm themselves with weapons
    should,
    therefore, be armed also with the most
    indispensable weapon of all --- knowledge


    The 2009 Florida Statutes

    Title XLVI
    CRIMES Chapter 790
    WEAPONS AND FIREARMS View Entire Chapter

    790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.--

    (1) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section. Each such license must bear a color photograph of the licensee. For the purposes of this section, concealed weapons or concealed firearms are defined as a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie, but the term does not include a machine gun as defined in s. 790.001(9). Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01. The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court.

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    This came from a email I sent to a lawyer on line asking about carrying more then 1 weapon at a time.
    I did not print his name because I'm not sure if it would be legal to do that..





    From Page: 790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.

    Name: Clayton

    Email: clay

    Phone:

    Interested In: Hello I'm trying to find out some Information as far as concealed weapon License.
    I have had a few discussion's with other people That have a CWL and we are trying to find out the answer to this question
    With a Florida resident concealed weapon License
    Can you carry more then one Firearm or weapon at the same time?
    And example would be a concealed pistol on your belt and then another concealed pistol on your ankle
    Thanks
    Clayton

    And at the end you see he wants me to hire him to get an exact legal opinion
    We know thats not going to happen...

    Date: 4/24/2010
    The following person filled out and has sent you information from a short contact form on :

    I do not know of any existing law that would prevent carrying in that manner. That being said in order to research that in detail for an accurate legal opinion we would need to be retained to do the work.

    Thank you

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    I actually just heard back from JON H. GUTMACHER, Esq. and he said there is No Limitation in Florida. I've asked if he can point to a spot in the law that confirms this. But I have to say I believe him more than just a clear at the office.

    For anyone that doesn't know him, he is a Orlando Criminal Defense Lawyer and wrote the book Florida Firearms -- Law, Use & Ownership which I personally carry in my car with me at all time.


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    Clay,
    The very fact that we now know you are from Maryland may say volumes as to why you feel you need vindication to carry even though your license makes it perfectly clear. Maryland is no doubt the land of the oppressed.

    What the Division says, the lawyer says, or even what I say, are all just interpretations of the law, not enforcement of the law. The reality of the issue is that if every guns is concealed, who is going to know but you? If you want a reality check, walk up to a cop and tell him you are carrying two or three guns legally concealed. He won't care what we say here, only what he knows or believes is the correct interpretation of the law, and he will enforce the law as he sees it.

    In court only the law as interpreted by the judge now matters.The cop will tell his story and your lawyer will tell your side to the judge. How will you explain the need to carry two or three guns when a sworn law enforcement officer only needs one? In court, it's all about "perception of reality". The judge will follow the law and if your attorney is any good, perhaps he will make the judge believe you are not a mental case preparing for battle at the local school, but perhaps the judge will see the reality differently and the prosecutor will be more convincing. After all, no where in the state statues does it say you MAY or SHALL carry two or more, and your license clearly states one or the other in singular vernacular.

    Sorry, but I doubt anyone with credentials is going to vindicate your desire to carry more than one when the statutes do not clearly state you MAY carry more than one. Sometimes it's what the law DOESN'T say that comes back to bite you.That is how the law works in courtroom reality.

    I'm not into continuing this thread as I believe the point in question has been answered. As an expert witness for 20 years I can tell you that you should stay out of court and refrain from testing your non-lawyer interpretation. Exercise your right to carry but do so within the scope of your license.

    I'm just trying to help you, not oppress you like Maryland.

    TG
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukem View Post
    I actually just heard back from JON H. GUTMACHER, Esq. and he said there is No Limitation in Florida. I've asked if he can point to a spot in the law that confirms this. But I have to say I believe him more than just a clear at the office.

    For anyone that doesn't know him, he is a Orlando Criminal Defense Lawyer and wrote the book Florida Firearms -- Law, Use & Ownership which I personally carry in my car with me at all time.

    Perfect that is what I was looking for a direct answer clear cut yes or no from a expert on the subject

    Thanks Luke
    Clayton

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    Luke,
    I too heard from Jon. He says that because there is no statute that defines how many is too many. However, the State or Florida and the Division has empowered me to teach the law when it comes to firearms and concealed carry, and the State says to teach one is the law. Jon does not hold that instructor distinction. He stated he is a pure litigation attorney, which means he will defend you in court before the judge when you get arrested for carrying too many weapons at one time, should a cop take offense to your personal arsenal.

    If many feel that this vindicates you to carry more than one, then good luck and call Jon in Orlando should you need a good attorney with expertise in defending concealed carry holders rights. I prefer to use my money for buying ammo, not paying lawyers.

    TG
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    Gotcha, that's why I asked him if there was anything in the law that he could point me to. Definitely up for interpretation.


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