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  1. #11
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    The bottom line here in Florida it is all interpretation and intent.. I emailed our licensing agency with a plain yes or no question and what I got back was a very Nice polite and well worded email and it basically said I can not tell you you can or you can not do what you asked. it is what the judge interpret the law to mean. he told me they get lots and lots of email asking specific questions every day like can I carry 2 magazines, can I have a round in the chamber ,what size weapon can I carry etc etc. so other then the laws that are black in white it will be what the judges and lawyers interpret it to mean and your intent.. that is more or less what I was told in the email.. IMO

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  3. #12
    I saw on the Gun Network that you can't even carry a gun in your car on U.S. Postal Property. That means you can't bring it into the parking lot either, not just the building. This was recently passed.

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    There's a Gun Network?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griffworks View Post
    There's a Gun Network?!?!?

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    Here is what I was talking about:
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  6. 39 CFR 232.1 (CFR = Code of Federal Regulations):

    § 232.1 Conduct on postal property.

    (a) Applicability. This section applies to all real property under the charge and control of the Postal Service, to all tenant agencies, and to all persons entering in or on such property. This section shall be posted and kept posted at a conspicuous place on all such property.

    (l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

    (p) Penalties and other law. (1) Alleged violations of these rules and regulations are heard, and the penalties prescribed herein are imposed, either in a Federal district court or by a Federal magistrate in accordance with applicable court rules. Questions regarding such rules should be directed to the regional counsel for the region involved.

    (2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to fine of not more than that allowed under title 18 of the United States Code or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations or any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.

    (q) Enforcement. (1) Members of the U.S. Postal Service security force shall exercise the powers provided by 18 U.S.C. 3061(c)(2) and shall be responsible for enforcing the regulations in this section in a manner that will protect Postal Service property and persons thereon.

    (2) Local postmasters and installation heads may, pursuant to 40 U.S.C. 1315(d)(3) and with the approval of the chief postal inspector or his designee, enter into agreements with State and local enforcement agencies to insure that these rules and regulations are enforced in a manner that will protect Postal Service property.

    (3) Postal Inspectors, Office of Inspector General Criminal Investigators, and other persons designated by the Chief Postal Inspector may likewise enforce regulations in this section.

    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:

  7. Even leaving the gun in your car, if parked in the post office parking lot, is illegal. And that's really nothing new, either.

    BTW, "for official purposes" applies to carrying the gun, not to visiting the post office. Examples of official purpose would be LEO who are carrying their duty firearms, military members if for some reason they are carrying firearms issued to them, and to actually mail a firearm. Buying stamps is NOT an official purpose for carrying a firearm.



    http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/posters/pos158/

  8. #17
    wolfhunter Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    39 CFR 232.1 (CFR = Code of Federal Regulations):

    § 232.1 Conduct on postal property.

    (l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
    This means we're just as much in the wrong if we lock our weapons in the car, as we are if we carry our weapon inside with us.

  9. #18
    handgonnetoter Guest
    The only places that I have seen the X'ed out pistol signs was when we went to Cedar Point in Ohio. I can't carry in Ohio anyway because they don't recognize Indiana's permit. (Stupid) I was told, by the police here, that in Indiana one cannot carry into the post office because they consider it a Federal building, so I don't. I believe in states rights, but the carry laws from state to state are seriously confusing and frustrating!

  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by clay5769 View Post
    See I wish it was that cut and dry in Florida there laws on a lot of things are not spelled out like that on some they are but not a lot..
    Quote Originally Posted by clay5769 View Post
    The bottom line here in Florida it is all interpretation and intent.. I emailed our licensing agency with a plain yes or no question and what I got back was a very Nice polite and well worded email and it basically said I can not tell you you can or you can not do what you asked.
    Quote Originally Posted by handgonnetoter View Post
    I was told, by the police here, that in Indiana one cannot carry into the post office because they consider it a Federal building, so I don't. I believe in states rights, but the carry laws from state to state are seriously confusing and frustrating!
    I'm not sure if you guys are really understanding the bottom line or not. It matters not how the state laws are written, or what your respective state's licensing agency says. You are talking about a federal facility, where federal law trumps all. In all 50 states, it is illegal to possess a firearm in the post office "except for official purposes".

    BTW, you MAY mail a firearm through the USPS, however there is a certain procedure that must be followed. IIRC, it may only be mailed to a FFL, manufacturer, place of repair, etc., it must be packaged a specific way (unloaded of course), you must declare it to be such and you must fill out the proper forms. (The rules are very well laid out on the USPS website.) You may NOT mail ammo through the USPS.
    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. - Thomas Jefferson

  11. (l) Weapons and explosives . Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.


    I am still trying to figure out why it is so hard to interpret that "no person while on postal property may carry firearms!"

    oh.... and....

    "or store the same on postal property"

    Is it REALLY THAT hard to understand?

    Armas y explosivos. Sin perjuicio de las disposiciones de cualquier otra ley, norma o reglamento, a ninguna persona mientras que los bienes de franqueo pueden portar armas de fuego, otras armas peligrosas o mortales, o explosivos, de forma abierta o encubierta, o almacenar la misma en la propiedad de postales, excepto para fines oficiales.

    Waffen und Sprengstoff. Ungeachtet der Bestimmungen anderer Gesetze, Regeln oder Vorschriften, keine Person, während auf postalische Eigenschaft kann Schusswaffen, andere gefährliche oder tödliche Waffen oder Sprengstoff, entweder offen oder verdeckt, oder lagern Sie das gleiche auf postalische Eigenschaft, außer für dienstliche Zwecke zu tragen.

    武器や爆発物。他の法律、規則または規制上の郵便プロパティは、銃器、その他の危険や致命的な武器、または 爆発のいずれか公然とまたは隠したり、公的な目的以外の郵便プロパティに、同じものを保存して実行するかも しれないが何人もの規定にかかわらず。

    וועפּאַנז און יקספּלאָוסיווז. ניט קוקנדיק די פּראַוויזשאַנז פון קיין אנדערע געזעץ, הערשן אָדער רעגולירן, קיין מענטש בשעת אויף פּאָוסטאַל פאַרמאָג זאל פירן פייעראַרמז, אנדערע געפערלעך אָדער דעדלי וועפּאַנז, אָדער יקספּלאָוסיווז, אָדער אפן אָדער פאַרבאָרגן, אָדער קראָם דער זעלביקער אויף פּאָוסטאַל פאַרמאָג, אַחוץ פֿאַר באַאַמטער צוועקן.


    Does that help any?

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