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    Quote Originally Posted by GOV5 View Post
    The fact is, we CC folks think a lot more about guns than do others. When someone that is not into guns sees another person, the first thing they do ISN'T to check them out to see if they are carrying a GUN! LOL!!

    If you are wearing a Speedo and trying to conceal a small Kel-Tec P3AT, that might be a different matter. IT WILL look like a gun in a Speedo! LOL!

    Other than that, I wouldn't be too concerned. If the gun is covered, it's concealed.

    Exactly I agree 100% I think it gets to a point for those who carry (I know I do)
    Every where we go we think that everyone is looking right at our belt or pocket or where ever the gun we have is ,
    And I would be willing to bet that like you said they are looking and thinking more of why he is wearing blue pants with a brown shirt or why is he wearing flip flops with green pants or he has a lot of tattoos etc etc.

    you said it best If the gun is covered, it's concealed

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    Quote Originally Posted by clay5769 View Post
    Exactly I agree 100% I think it gets to a point for those who carry (I know I do)
    Every where we go we think that everyone is looking right at our belt or pocket or where ever the gun we have is ,
    And I would be willing to bet that like you said they are looking and thinking more of why he is wearing blue pants with a brown shirt or why is he wearing flip flops with green pants or he has a lot of tattoos etc etc.

    you said it best If the gun is covered, it's concealed
    Most of the sheep will never notice it, they seldom do. You carry so you will tend to look for it. I carry OWB at times with a large .45 or a medium K frame 357 revolver and just an open flannel shirt over it all. I have yet to have an issue. If it is noticed most will think LEO or to that effect.

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    In Texas if you can see the out line of the gun, in other word if you can tell under you garment from the shape that it is a gun then it is not concealed. That is called printing.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Quote Originally Posted by kudzu View Post
    That's the ideal. Where, what and how does he carry, if you know?
    He carries a Glock at 5:00 position. I think he carries a 9mm, but he was talking about the 30SF when it came out. I don't know what kind of holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    In Texas if you can see the out line of the gun, in other word if you can tell under you garment from the shape that it is a gun then it is not concealed. That is called printing.
    I know what printing is, but If the gun is covered, it's concealed. Printing is a guncarrier term, not a legal one....at least that is the way I understand it to be. Are you saying that in Texas, the word"printing" is in the law there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOV5 View Post
    I know what printing is, but If the gun is covered, it's concealed. Printing is a guncarrier term, not a legal one....at least that is the way I understand it to be. Are you saying that in Texas, the word"printing" is in the law there?
    What I am say is that even if it is covered if it is easy to tell that bulge is a gun by the shape of the imprint then it is not concealed and then technically could be in violation of the law. What is easily detectable most likely would be up to the officer. In Texas when they say concealed it means no one should know or be able to tell you have a gun on.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    Texas concealment requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    In Texas if you can see the out line of the gun, in other word if you can tell under you garment from the shape that it is a gun then it is not concealed. That is called printing.
    Tex. Penal Code 46.035(a) provides:
    A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
    Tex. Penal Code 6.03(a) provides:
    A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.
    Tex. Gov. Code 411.171(3) provides:
    "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person.
    Finally, self-defense is a defense to a charge of failing to conceal a handgun.
    It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.
    Tex. Gov. Code 46.035(h).

    Therefore, to violate the duty of a CHL holder to conceal a handgun, the licensee would have to carry on or about his or her person a handgun, the presence of which is openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person, with the conscious objective or desire to make the handgun's presence openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person, except when justified by law in using deadly force. Obviously, lesser conduct could trigger an LEO encounter and possible charges. However, to convict, there is a rather high bar the state would have to meet.
    James M. "Jim" Mullins, Jr., Esq.
    Attorney, The Law Offices of James M. Mullins, Jr., PLLC
    Founder and Past President, West Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.

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    So there is no law about "printing". The first statute you listed was to say that you can't open carry. It said nothing about "printing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    What I am say is that even if it is covered if it is easy to tell that bulge is a gun by the shape of the imprint then it is not concealed and then technically could be in violation of the law. What is easily detectable most likely would be up to the officer. In Texas when they say concealed it means no one should know or be able to tell you have a gun on.
    I don't believe that is against the law. many things can be placed under a shirt, or blouse, and "look" like whatever the viewer "wants" it to like like. If it is covered, it's concealed. If the butt of the gun shows in plain sight, it is not concealed.

    Like i said before though, there are times when "printing" shows exactly what is there. Those times would be when you are wearing a yellow Speedo and carrying a pistol in the Speedos. In that case, "Printing" definitely shows what you are carrying. It is then deemed to be NOT concealed. LOL!! And this adds yet another version of "he's packing". LOL!!~

  11. Concealed is concealed,the less people know the less chance of having a problem !!!!!!!!!!!

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