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  1. Quote Originally Posted by guadman View Post

    Well I can tell you that here, in Oregon, I believe that's exactly what it means.

    CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) permit is for specifically that: CONCEALED Carry.

    It keeps the weapon out of site of possibly nervous citizens and bystanders and kids, etc.

    Seem the authorities look at these as 2 seperate issues, with a lot of justification, IMHO.
    Haha! Now that's funny. And here's why. At the state level, in Oregon, there is no statute prohibiting open carry by either persons possessing a concealed handgun license or by unlicensed persons. What is illegal in the state of Oregon at the state level is for a person to conceal a handgun without a license.

    ORS 166.173 says this:

    166.173 Authority of city or county to regulate possession of loaded firearms in public places. (1) A city or county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the possession of loaded firearms in public places as defined in ORS 161.015.

    (2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section do not apply to or affect:

    (a) A law enforcement officer in the performance of official duty.

    (b) A member of the military in the performance of official duty.

    (c) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

    (d) A person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building or court facility under ORS 166.370.

    (e) An employee of the United States Department of Agriculture, acting within the scope of employment, who possesses a loaded firearm in the course of the lawful taking of wildlife. [1995 s.s. c.1 4; 1999 c.782 8; 2009 c.556 3]
    Now, since concealed carry by a non-license holder is already illegal across the state of Oregon, the only real ordinance that a city may enact against the possession of a loaded firearm in public by a non-license holder is open carry. HOWEVER, note that (2)(c) says that local ordinances enacted by cities and counties against the possession of firearms do not apply to license holders! So, in actuality, what the Concealed Handgun License does is not only make it legal to concealed carry across the state, but also makes it legal for a person to open carry in cities and counties where it would be illegal for them to do without the CHL!

    And, once again, in Oregon there is no statute against "sloppy concealment" or carrying a firearm anywhere between fully concealed and fully open.

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  3. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Please post a statute that says that a permit holder in New Mexico must carry a handgun completely concealed or completely in full view. You won't find one. If you have a concealed weapons permit, in a state that also allows open carry such as New Mexico, you can carry that firearm however you want to except in your hand pointing it at someone. You can carry your firearm completely concealed, or completely open, or anywhere in between that you want to. I challenge you to post a statute that says a permit holder can't.
    You are right. I could not find anything about it.
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Edsworld View Post
    You are right. I could not find anything about it.
    It's not your fault. You've just been listening to CCW instructors and LEO who are against a gun *gasp* exposed in public in any way! There is a certain portion of our group (pro-2A) that are our own enemies, at times.

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    It's not your fault. You've just been listening to CCW instructors and LEO who are against a gun *gasp* exposed in public in any way! There is a certain portion of our group (pro-2A) that are our own enemies, at times.
    I was also under the impression that you could not open carry in any place that sold alchol, like wal-mart, but could not find a law or stutue on that either. They are very vague on their carry laws.
    Ed
    "The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Edsworld View Post
    I was also under the impression that you could not open carry in any place that sold alchol, like wal-mart, but could not find a law or stutue on that either. They are very vague on their carry laws.
    You are correct on that one, concealed carry only, with a concealed handgun license:

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    30-7-3. Unlawful carrying of a firearm in licensed liquor establishments.

    A. Unlawful carrying of a firearm in an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages consists of carrying a loaded or unloaded firearm on any premises licensed by the regulation and licensing department for the dispensing of alcoholic beverages except:

    (1) by a law enforcement officer in the lawful discharge of the officer's duties;

    (2) by a law enforcement officer who is certified pursuant to the Law Enforcement Training Act [29-7-1 NMSA 1978] acting in accordance with the policies of the officer's law enforcement agency;

    (3) by the owner, lessee, tenant or operator of the licensed premises or the owner's, lessee's, tenant's or operator's agents, including privately employed security personnel during the performance of their duties;

    (4) by a person carrying a concealed handgun who is in possession of a valid concealed handgun license for that gun pursuant to the Concealed Handgun Carry Act [29-19-1 NMSA 1978] on the premises of:

    (a) a licensed establishment that does not sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises; or

    (b) a restaurant licensed to sell only beer and wine that derives no less than sixty percent of its annual gross receipts from the sale of food for consumption on the premises, unless the restaurant has a sign posted, in a conspicuous location at each public entrance, prohibiting the carrying of firearms, or the person is verbally instructed by the owner or manager that the carrying of a firearm is not permitted in the restaurant;


    (5) by a person in that area of the licensed premises usually and primarily rented on a daily or short-term basis for sleeping or residential occupancy, including hotel or motel rooms;

    (6) by a person on that area of a licensed premises primarily used for vehicular traffic or parking; or

    (7) for the purpose of temporary display, provided that the firearm is:

    (a) made completely inoperative before it is carried onto the licensed premises and remains inoperative while it is on the licensed premises; and

    (b) under the control of the licensee or an agent of the licensee while the firearm is on the licensed premises.

    B. Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a firearm in an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
    You can carry a concealed handgun (with a license) in a Wal Mart that sells alcohol because they do not sell for consumption on the premises, and in a restaurant such as Applebees that does not make more than 60 percent from alcohol sales.

    You can even search for liquor licenses in New Mexico here:
    http://164.64.87.25/MyLicenseVerific...spx?facility=Y

    For profession select "Liquor Control"
    For license type select "DISPENSER"
    and then click the Search button.

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    Went to handgun laws and couldn't find anything on this, anyone care to shed some light on weather in PA it is a violation of the law for your weapon to be seen/printing at anytime?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    Went to handgun laws and couldn't find anything on this, anyone care to shed some light on weather in PA it is a violation of the law for your weapon to be seen/printing at anytime?
    OpenCarry.org - State Information For Pennsylvania

    Summary
    Pennsylvania is a traditional open carry state. There are 2 issues that prevent it from being a "Gold Star" open carry state. First, you must have a permit to open carry in the city of Philadelphia and second, you must have a permit to open carry in a vehicle. However, PA recognizes the permits of all 50 states for open/concealed carry in vehicles.

  9. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    Went to handgun laws and couldn't find anything on this, anyone care to shed some light on weather in PA it is a violation of the law for your weapon to be seen/printing at anytime?
    Some good PA info here

    http://paopencarry.org/pdfs/Pennsylvania_Gun_Rights.pdf

    Pennsylvania Open Carry Gun Laws, Information, Fliers and Forum - paopencarry.org

  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony_I_Am View Post
    Open carry is legal in North Carolina. A CHP allows you to carry that weapon concealed. A CHP does not void any of your other rights, such as the right to open carry. Some states (like Texas) prohibit open carry, therefore it would be illegal in that state to OC with a CHP. This is not the case in NC.

    See STATE V. ROBERT S HUNTLEY


    If that happens then I am temporarily open carrying, which is legal. The only thing is if a cop observes this he might ask you if you have a CHP.


    This is not a situation where a concealed handgun is observed as in the open-jacket situation or open carrying. This is for the idiots that, when stopped by a cop and they are carrying a concealed handgun (with permit) they say "look, here it is" and pull out their piece. As innocent at that action might be, that action tends to be frowned on by cops. LOL
    Great post!!
    Due to the increased cost of Ammunition I will be forced to discontinue warning shots as of now! USAF Chief Master Sergeant, Retired, 1979-2005

  11. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    I think it depends on the LEO you come across.

    A couple of years ago I went to the fair with the family & was wearing shorts & t-shirt. I dropped my J frame in my front pocket & went off to the fair.

    Well a deputy sheriff that was their motions me over & asks if I have a permit to carry (I did & showed him). He then tried to get on me threatening brandishment charges because he could see it (all he could see was the very tip of the butt, I had my wife check later (kudos to him for being that observant)). As we were discussing it a buddy of mine (who also happens to be a state trooper) came over & explained to the deputy that KY is OC & asked him what I would have done if I had the pistol strapped to my waist. They went back & forth about concealed means concealed.
    As a concession I walked away with the pistol in my cargo pocket. I am not sure what would of happened if my buddy would not of happened to be there.
    This situation in NC would land you in jail. Not permitted to carry in a place that charges admission like a fair. We have some more strange laws down here.
    Due to the increased cost of Ammunition I will be forced to discontinue warning shots as of now! USAF Chief Master Sergeant, Retired, 1979-2005

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