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  1. #21
    A vote last night by R. O. city council agreed to remove the ban on open carry. While most feel open carry is dangerous to the public, I do not. Those of us that are CPL owners have gone by all the rules and should be allowed to do what we feel comfortable with. The laws have really come a long way in recent years, and we don't want to regress.
    The comments I've read at WXYZ.com., the opponents think there's going to be an "OK Corral" thing going on there. No matter how you feel on this issue, I think it's an insult to all of us legal carriers,whether you OC or CC, to think we'd be stupid enough to use this opportunity to be stupid ! ! !

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by marionandjohn View Post
    Again that's how YOU feel. why are you so against others exercising their right? I have heard of more crime being deterred from open carry rather than concealed. Also I have had many many more GOOD encounters with the uneducated while OC then I have while CC meaning they ask me about my firearm and I explain that even they could carry a weapon with them open or concealed (in my state) legally if they went through the process and that even though they dont see the weapons they have been around them many times before. As you so eloquently stated there is a reason LE carries Openly.

    Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com

    I will end with this, there are many people on this site that will argue both sides till they are blue. I will not say one should only OC or one should only CC but I will say carry how YOU are comfortable and stay armed. How I carry should not matter to you as long as I am carrying legally.
    Everyone has their opinions. In Michigan being a "Shall Issue State" it's scary how easy it is to obtain a CPL. A lot of people can pass the class quite easily, but that doesn't mean they can handle firearms safely. I think Open Carry sould also have to have some kind of permit or license. Yes it is your right to keep and bear arms, however a lot of people are not emotionally able to respond to people reacting to them or have the ability to answer to people who have questions. There was one person in my CL class that quite honestly scared me and a few other people with their gun handeling skills and they couldn't hit the proper target and most of the time didn't even listen to instructions.

    Now this is an "Opinion" of mine and some others. Open carry will make you the 1st target of anyone who has their mind set on commiting a crime or a mindset to murder. If your not one of them you will either be disarmed by the element of surprise or quite simply taken out.

    I am however for the Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Not every one deserves the right to carry whenever they want into a public place.

    Jason
    Jason
    Michigan

  4. #23
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    I will agree with you BigBad that you should need a permit to open carry also that is how it is in TN and GA for me, however that is because we are issued firearm/weapon carry permits not CC licenses. As for an OC being the first target they might be But alot of stars must line up properly for that to happen, ie the OC must be near where the BG is and be turned in a way that their weapon is facing the BG and the BG must notice the weapon. Most BG's have their mindset on one thing and one thing only to get in get what they want and get out. Yes there are the times when the BG is just mad and goes into a place and just starts shooting people, 1 what are the chances your going to be there? 2 what good is CC going to do you vs OC. I can tell you for me it is a much quicker draw and on target from my Blackhawk(OC) holster in my IWB holster (CC) so in theory I would be able to react quicker. But as I stated earlier I do CC and I do OC but instead of saying there is a time and place for OC I will say there is a time and place to CC. If you have never OC I suggest trying it just once so you know whether or not it is for you. You might be surprised and realize that the element of surprise that you loose is SURPRISE its just like CC except a little more comfortable.

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  5. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Cocked _and_Locked View Post
    Excellent point. Nobody has the right not to be offended.

    So some people really don't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks about what they do, proceed to do whatever they damn please with no regard for anyone else, how it affects others, their opinions of gun owners, the general public, anyone or anything else.

    They seem to enjoy offending people. Nice lot of igorant pricks they are.
    Are there any mirrors in your house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyp View Post
    Are there any mirrors in your house?
    No, but I'll bet you keep all your rat's asses to yourself, now don't you?!

  7. #26

    Understand What The Unabridged Second Amendment IS...

    The Second Amendment IS my Concealed (and Open) Carry Permit" - Ted Nugent

    The Second Amendment does not state "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" Except...

    IF your zip code is x...
    OR your standing at y...
    OR the type/class of weapon you have or desire to have/carry is z...
    OR if said weapon is carried openly or concealed...
    OR if you have passed whatever draconian licensing & or registration scheme the federal, state or other municipality government deems appropriate...

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don't Come From Government
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DON’T COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    The Unabridged Second Amendment:
    The Unabridged Second Amendment

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  8. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomboy007 View Post
    The best reason for strong open carry rights, in my ever so humble opinion, is actually to protect concealed carriers. Say you live in a state, like Pennsylvania, where open carry is legal. Let's also say you are carrying your firearm in a concealed manner, with the proper permit, as you do most days. While out shopping you trip, or bend down to tie a shoelace, or perform some other action that causes your cover garment to slightly reveal your firearm. Maybe you are simply printing. Because you live in a state where one may carry concealed or open, then no crime has occurred.

    Now let's take the same situation, and move it to South Carolina. Again, you have a permit, and you are carrying concealed. That same cover garment slip, that same case of printing, and now you have broken the law. The police are called, you are detained (provided you are fortunate enough to escape being shot), and you receive a citation and/or are arrested. Your firearm is confiscated, you lose your permit, and your family is left defenseless while you work your way through a very expensive court procedure.

    Open carry is important to us all.

    I usually carry my firearm concealed, but I see no problem with the deterrence effect of open carry, and am glad that open carry is another tool in my box for self protection. It certainly seemed to work when I carried on duty!
    You made the statement saying that it seemed to work when you were on duty. You are or were obviously a policeman. Are you also saying that it did not, or would not, bother you if while on duty you responded to a call that a person carrying a handgun openly was walking around the local grocery store? Just curious.

  9. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    The Second Amendment IS my Concealed (and Open) Carry Permit\\\" - Ted Nugent

    Ted Nugent charged with 11 deer hunting violations in California

    Matt Weiser - The Sacramento Bee

    Rock star Ted Nugent, a 1970s guitar hero for hits including \\\"Cat Scratch Fever,\\\" has recently created a successful second career as an advocate for hunting and outdoor ethics.

    His television show, \\\"Spirit of the Wild,\\\" is a four-time \\\"Golden Moose\\\" award winner on the Outdoor Channel. He has used his celebrity status to help promote better pay and working conditions for California game wardens, and consistently rails against poachers and other wildlife criminals.

    So it was with a double take of disbelief that two California game wardens sat down in February to watch the show, and witnessed Nugent allegedly violate several California hunting laws.

    The Feb. 9 episode showed Nugent killing a young male deer with bow and arrow near the El Dorado County town of Somerset.

    The wardens were alarmed because the footage appeared to show Nugent killing a \\\"spike\\\" buck, or one whose antlers have not yet grown long enough to fork. Killing such a young deer is illegal in California.

    It also appeared to show the deer feeding on a powdery material spread on the ground before it was shot.

    The Department of Fish and Game launched an investigation, spokesman Patrick Foy said, which later revealed this material to be a commercial deer bait. It is illegal in California to hunt with bait.

    \\\"We looked at it and we just shook our heads, saying \\\'I can\\\'t believe he actually aired this episode,\\\' \\\" Foy said. \\\"We were all really disappointed to see this happen with a guy who is a representative of hunters.\\\"

    Nugent was later charged with 11 misdemeanors related to events that unfolded on his own television show, Foy said.

    On Friday, following a plea deal with the Yuba County district attorney, Nugent pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors in Yuba Superior Court: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill.

    Nugent did not appear in court. He was represented by Yuba City attorney Jack Kopp, who did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday. The 61-year-old rocker, who lives in China Springs, Texas, was penalized with a $1,750 fine.
    The Second Amendment does not state \\\"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED\\\" Except...

    IF your zip code is x...
    OR your standing at y...
    OR the type/class of weapon you have or desire to have/carry is z...
    OR if said weapon is carried openly or concealed...
    OR if you have passed whatever draconian licensing & or registration scheme the federal, state or other municipality government deems appropriate...

    The First Fundamental Principle of Constitutional Interpretation: Your Rights Don\\\'t Come From Government
    Oath Keepers: CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC 101: YOUR RIGHTS DONíT COME FROM GOVERNMENT

    The Unabridged Second Amendment:
    The Unabridged Second Amendment
    Ted Nugent charged with 11 deer hunting violations in California

    Matt Weiser - The Sacramento Bee

    Rock star Ted Nugent, a 1970s guitar hero for hits including \\\"Cat Scratch Fever,\\\" has recently created a successful second career as an advocate for hunting and outdoor ethics.

    His television show, \\\"Spirit of the Wild,\\\" is a four-time \\\"Golden Moose\\\" award winner on the Outdoor Channel. He has used his celebrity status to help promote better pay and working conditions for California game wardens, and consistently rails against poachers and other wildlife criminals.

    So it was with a double take of disbelief that two California game wardens sat down in February to watch the show, and witnessed Nugent allegedly violate several California hunting laws.

    The Feb. 9 episode showed Nugent killing a young male deer with bow and arrow near the El Dorado County town of Somerset.

    The wardens were alarmed because the footage appeared to show Nugent killing a \\\"spike\\\" buck, or one whose antlers have not yet grown long enough to fork. Killing such a young deer is illegal in California.

    It also appeared to show the deer feeding on a powdery material spread on the ground before it was shot.

    The Department of Fish and Game launched an investigation, spokesman Patrick Foy said, which later revealed this material to be a commercial deer bait. It is illegal in California to hunt with bait.

    \\\"We looked at it and we just shook our heads, saying \\\'I can\\\'t believe he actually aired this episode,\\\' \\\" Foy said. \\\"We were all really disappointed to see this happen with a guy who is a representative of hunters.\\\"

    Nugent was later charged with 11 misdemeanors related to events that unfolded on his own television show, Foy said.

    On Friday, following a plea deal with the Yuba County district attorney, Nugent pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors in Yuba Superior Court: illegally baiting a deer, and failing to have a deer tag signed by a government official after a kill.

    Nugent did not appear in court. He was represented by Yuba City attorney Jack Kopp, who did not respond to a request for comment on Tuesday. The 61-year-old rocker, who lives in China Springs, Texas, was penalized with a $1,750 fine.

  10. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by mullet View Post
    ...
    F*ck The Republic of Kalifornia...

    AKA: The Left Coast...

    AKA: Pelosi-Land, Feinstein-ville, Boxer-Burbs, Mexico's North West Territory...






    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

  11. #30
    Two thugs waiting in parking lot to rob bank: "Hey, there are two guys in plain clothes that just walked into the bank with pistols on their hips, maybe this is a bad time ?"

    Or, " Yeah, let's get in a gun fight, sounds like fun".....................Not likely.
    "When a government robs Peter to pay Paul it will alway's have the support of Paul" George Bernard Shaw

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