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    The original JMB patent (I read it on line at the patent office) indeed had no hammer safety, but did have the half cock notch and JMB referred to it as a safety area at that time. I would not use it however because in the event of a sear or hammer spur failure, you could have an AD.


    I found a 1940 copy of the Army MOA and it makes no reference at all to using the half cock notch. It does say that if the soldier anticipates near immediate use it can be cocked and locked. If not, Condition 3.

    The safest method that works and still gives you almost immediate use is Condition 1. The Army was ok with it.

    To the person who said a holster could deactivate the thumb safety I would say you're using a poorly designed holster for the 1911. Most good holster makers take this into account when designing them. I walked around my house all day in Condition 1 in an IWB Tucker Gunleather "The Answer" holster and have never had the thumb safety deactivate. Same for my Serpa.

    My .02. YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    In what condition was the pistol that went into production in 1911 designed to be carried?
    Army MOA says expected combat=Conditon 1. Everything else =Conditon 3. There is a 1940'se ra (WWII) copy of the 1911 MOA on the The M1911 Pistols Organization web site. I cannot find an earlier copy but it didn't change much if at all from 1911

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    Condition 1 with a blade tech IWB for my RI CS 1911.
    Due to the increased cost of Ammunition I will be forced to discontinue warning shots as of now! USAF Chief Master Sergeant, Retired, 1979-2005

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    Bob-O, Good advice has been offered to you on how to carry a 1911 and the Citadel is a good weapon. Should you choose to carry locked and cocked, I would suggest you perform frequent safety checks on your pistol. How frequent? Each time you clean it or once a week.
    Do this:
    1) Make sure the gun is not loaded, then check again, then check again.
    2) Point the muzzle in a safe direction.
    3) Cock the hammer, it should be already if you checked the chamber, check again.
    4) With the thumb safety engaged, pull the trigger, it should not move.
    5) Release the trigger and disengage the safety, nothing should happen. If the hammer falls to half cock, you have a problem.
    6) OK for now, good. Without gripping the grip safty, pull the trigger, nothing should happen.
    7) Now, make sure it goes boom. With the muzzle pointed up and the gun cocked and unloaded, Check this, Check again, put a pencil, eraser down, in the barrel.
    8) Pull the trigger and the pencil should be ejected from the barrel with vigor.
    9) Now you know the pistol functions as designed and can be loaded and carried with confidence.

    Since your Citadel is not a series 80 firing system, it will fire with the magazine removed. If it should be taken away from you, the assailant has 1 shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GA Gunsmith View Post

    Since your Citadel is not a series 80 firing system, it will fire with the magazine removed. If it should be taken away from you, the assailant has 1 shot.
    Are you saying the series 80's will not fire with out the magazine? If so that is incorrect, the series 80 does not have a magazine disconnect. They will absolutly go bang sans magazine.

    One other point, the "series 80" is not a firing system per se, it is a firing pin block, to prevent the pistol from firing if dropped or sear failure. It is basically two levers that push the firing pin block past a detent when the trigger is pressed. In fact you can remove the 2 levers and spring loaded plunger and the weapon will work just fine, you have what is a series 70.

    Has nothing to do with the firing system, it is a safety.

    Steve

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    IIRC the original JMB patent had a magazine disconnect but it didn't make it into the production gun. The Army MOA doesn't address it either AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swinokur View Post
    IIRC the original JMB patent had a magazine disconnect but it didn't make it into the production gun. The Army MOA doesn't address it either AFAIK.
    None of the production models had a disconnect AFAIK, the Hi Power has a mag disconnect, it is about the only thing I do not like about the High Power.


    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by .45acp View Post
    Are you saying the series 80's will not fire with out the magazine? If so that is incorrect, the series 80 does not have a magazine disconnect. They will absolutly go bang sans magazine.

    One other point, the "series 80" is not a firing system per se, it is a firing pin block, to prevent the pistol from firing if dropped or sear failure. It is basically two levers that push the firing pin block past a detent when the trigger is pressed. In fact you can remove the 2 levers and spring loaded plunger and the weapon will work just fine, you have what is a series 70.

    Has nothing to do with the firing system, it is a safety.

    Steve
    You are correct that a Series 80 will fire without the mag installed. Dad's Special Combat Gov't Model is an 80 and will fire without the mag in. You are wrong about that being all that makes an 80 into a Series 70. The hammer half-cocked notch was changed as was the part of the end that engaged it. That part went from hooked ( which would break off ) to a flat section. A Series 80 can trip the hammer at half-cocked while a Series 70 won't. Series 70 that I have also is one due to the Collet Bushing. 1983 to 1988 80s also had them but all of the 70s had them when new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S&W645 View Post
    You are correct that a Series 80 will fire without the mag installed. Dad's Special Combat Gov't Model is an 80 and will fire without the mag in. You are wrong about that being all that makes an 80 into a Series 70. The hammer half-cocked notch was changed as was the part of the end that engaged it. That part went from hooked ( which would break off ) to a flat section. A Series 80 can trip the hammer at half-cocked while a Series 70 won't. Series 70 that I have also is one due to the Collet Bushing. 1983 to 1988 80s also had them but all of the 70s had them when new.
    Yea I know, I was referring to the firing pin block, if you remove the levers and pin block you have what is essentially a series 70 trigger. There are other changes as you pointed out, but I did not address them as the discussion was concerning the firing pin block/trigger.

    I have several series 70ís as well as 4 series 80ís, I carry the 80ís.

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    I wasn't sure these posts were actually read by others. I am glad everyone is paying attention.

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