CCW May Issue - How can that be legal?
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  1. May Issue = Unequal Protectiion Under Law = Civil Rts. Violation

    Hello,
    I am new to this forum.
    I have been wanting to purchase a handgun for personal protection when I am out of the house, but like so many, I have discovered that I am likely to be denied a CCW permit by my local and state authorities.
    I live in California.

    What seems odd to me about a CCW permitting policy of 'May Issue' is that even if there were validity in the argument against abiding by the law of the land and the 2nd amendment, there would seem to be a serious issue with the now well accepted 'civil rights' (And why not use the law to advantage?).

    I feel that it is a certain violation of the 'civil rights' of equal treatment under the law. If one person is granted fire power and I am denied the same and thus forced to remain unarmed and hence more vulnerable to slaying, than I am being treated as a second class citizen. My right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is being denied, thwarted, curtailed, cut off, and Black's dictionary. I am being <singled out> for culling. I think that's illegal or unlawful in every state at this time.

    If it was a 'Will Not Issue' situation, maybe the argument would be weaker, but that is not the case in my state of California. 'May Issue' is either arbitrarily or intentionally preferential in its results and that is unlawful.

    [What I am suggesting is that there is no need to argue 2nd Amendment in order to show that "May Issue" is a violation of Civil Rights and does not provide for Equal Protection Under the Law.

    Law enforcement obviously is unaffected by this argument, but everyone else that may be granted or not granted the permit is.

    I am sure I am not nearly the first to question along these lines, am I?
    What do you think?
    Mitchell
    Last edited by Mitchell; 11-23-2010 at 01:28 PM. Reason: Point evidently not clear by title

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    Do a search on the name "Jim March" to learn more about the situation in California.

  4. In Missouri, you can buy a handgun or a rifle or a shotgun when and where you want, presuming no Form 4473 issues. No restrictions on weapons purchases or on ammo purchases, either.

    We have the Castle Doctrine here, so you can carry and defend in your home, on your property or in your vehicle, following state laws. Most communities in MO align with the state law that permits open carry; there are local options that allow smaller civic authorities to say no to open carry but they exist usually around KC and STL.

    Concealed carry is permitted after an 8-hour class and a NICS BG check, presuming your local Sheriff is on the beam; most are. MO is a Shall Issue state for this. It costs a bunch and it has to be renewed. But Missouri may be the best state in the union for firearms ownership and carry. I carry a .45 and a .380 BUG every day, almost everywhere.

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    I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.

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    Never say never. CA may one day adopt "shall issue". You only need to start electing the right people. I've seen tremendous swings in political will over my almost 50 years and would not be surprised to see some constitutional rulings that make CA's "may issue" stance moot in the next couple years.

    In the mean time, fight for your right!

    P.S. I lived in CA for 19 years. There are a LOT of pro 2A folks all over that state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowjiber View Post
    I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.
    Depending upon the outcome of Peruta v. County of San Diego, California may have no choice.

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    LA District Attorney Steve Cooley just conceded the race for attorney general to San Francsico District Attorney, Kamala Harris.

    She is anti gun. So, i suspect that for the next 4 years at least, we will have a hard time trying to get any pro gun laws passed in CA.

  9. I just recieved my CA CCW from the Riverside Sheriff's Dept. The guys over at the CCW Unit are super cool. It took me two months to get it. I am just a regular guy working for a small business in Murrieta CA. I do not have any hook up with the Sheriff or anything like that. I dont think this process for CA is that hard. Fill in the paperwork, go to the class, qualifiy your (3) guns and wait. All of the people around me who have submitted the application have received there CCW.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Lowjiber View Post
    I lived in California for three years (If one can call that "living") before coming to Nevada in January of this year. Your questioning of the "may", "shall", "will" issues is in vain. California will never adopt the "shall issue" stance because of the tremendous objections by the citizens in the so-called "Foo-Foo" areas...Silicon Valley (Santa Clara County, where I lived), the LA area, and to some extent the state capital.
    Several counties already have become virtual shall issue, and the rest are toppling like dominoes. Check out the Project Sunshine initiative being done by the CalGuns Foundation.

  11. I too live in California (Fresno county) and the sherriff here is 100% pro 2A.And i have had my permit for 3 yrs.
    And there is other counties that are pro 2A.But for alot of counties getting a permit is difficult if not out right impossible.
    Dont give up and keep fighting for your rights.I too believe California will become shall issue in the future.
    Stupidity Should Hurt.....Immensely

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