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  1. #131
    Is there a high-resolution version of this gif file available? I'd like to remove the "Enjoy" part on the bottom and print up some on business cards to have available for passing out in places which have "no weapons" signs displayed but which I can't avoid entering.



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  3. Easy, " Good-bye"

  4. #133
    In Colorado, all they can do is ask you to leave, if you refuse then they can have you arrested for trespassing. Concealed means concealed. How will they know?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocketboy View Post
    Oh I don't know, trespassing with a firearm is a serious crime in most states.

    Ignoring the lawful wishes, and rights, of a *private property* owner to decide who and how someone enters their *private property* is probably not the best way to extend good will. It certainly puts responsible gun owners in a bad light.

    Check your local laws, but this is something most people don't understand. If it's posted "no guns" or you are otherwise aware that you are not allowed to carry a firearm on the premises then you are committing a crime (trespassing) when you enter anyway. A lot of people seem to think that you have to be asked (or told) to leave before you are trespassing; not so. If there are rules to entry you must follow those rules, or by default you are trespassing.

    I'm not saying that it does not suck to be kept from entering an establishment while carrying. It does. But at the end of the day if it's private property then you really don't have a choice. Your rights, First Amendment, Second Amendment, or otherwise do not necessarily extend, or apply on private property. In may cases the rights of the private property owner outweigh your individual rights.

    It certainly does not help anything if your going out of the gate with an attitude that you don't care about other peoples rights.

    I would maybe ask the management to post the sign of "No Guns" but as that they amend it to allow concealed carry license holders: "No Guns, unless licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292" ORS = Oregon Revised Statues and the ones listed are the concealed carry license provisions, substitute with your own states obviously. Extol the virtues of concealed carry licensees - background checks, law abiding, etc.

    Also, keep in mind that may places put these signs up to reduce liability. If you talk to the owner, or manager, you may be able to get permission (I'd get it in writing or record the phone call) to continue to carry despite the posting.

    Always, respect the right of the private property owner though, not doing so puts responsible guns owners and concealed carry licensees in a bad light. Always keep in mind (and remind the owner/manager) that you do not have to enter/patronize their property/establishment. Business worships one god - the dollar, keeping people away is typically not in their best interest.
    Roy
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  5. #134

    Thumbs up What to say to businesses posting "No Guns"

    I used to have business cards printed out, which I carried at all times. I got the design from some pro-carry group, but it's been too long ago to remember which. Anyway, the cards had a big pistol with a red circle and strike-thru = and then a large dollar sign in a red circle and strike-thru. On the other side, it had a short statement something along the lines of: "I join with other law-abiding citizens in choosing to spend our money in businesses which respect my right to self-defense." And had my name, email address and phone number.

    Thankfully, here in NH, I don't need to carry those cards anymore!

    NH already has Open Carry with no license required, and "Constitutional Carry" just passed the NH House of Reps with a vote of 244-109. (HB330 (2011) | New Hampshire Liberty Alliance ) and it looks like it ought to pass the Senate soon as well.

    In the Senate, they have another bill (SB88 (2011) | New Hampshire Liberty Alliance ) which is a "Stand Your Ground" bill, which just passed out of committee with an "Ought To Pass" on Thursday.

    Great time to live in NH!

  6. #135
    I wouldn't say anything to the restaurant. They don't have ears!

    As for the owner... nothing. Concealed = he/she won't know. If the US Government says I can carry a weapon concealed to protect myself how can a friggin restaurant owner tell me I can't...??

  7. #136
    It amazes me the number of people that won't respect the rules posted by businesses. I agree with the idea to have a polite talk or send a polite letter to the owner/manager of the establishment. Then take your business to where there are no restrictions that bother you. A “No Guns” sign means just that and the business owner has the right to put that restriction in place.

    Some business owners might object to guns on the premises for fear of a customer getting a glimpse of it and panicking. Sure, you are all pointing out how you carry concealed, but few of us are perfect and it is always possible that it will be seen by someone. You know that there are multiple ways this could happen so I won't try to enumerate them.

    If you communicate your opinions and reasons in a civil fashion, most owners and managers will see your point. Some will act accordingly and others will choose to stand their position – their choice. Your choice is to take your business elsewhere. I think the suggested letter posted by Desert Dude (post #2) is an excellent letter to send if you prefer writing over talking. You certainly have the right to simply move on to other businesses and never let the offender know why. But I think it would be better to let them know so they may, at some time, realize the justification of removing their restriction.

    Not letting them know why you will no longer bring your money to them will never get them to see the light. And if other stores start posting the same signs you may start limiting your options where you can buy given products. The more stores that post the signs with no repercussions (or without seeing the repercussions) the greater the problem will become.

    As far a malls are concerned, it would be prudent to contact the owners/managers of the shops you had (or would have) frequented so they can pass on the concerns to the mall management. Enough such complaints or comments may eventually cause favorable change.

    As a former business owner I had a “No Smoking” policy in place and indicated at the front door. It was honored and I never had to enforce it. It was my right to have that policy. The smoker's rights ended at the sign. It was also my right to have a “No Guns” policy but I chose not to. At the time I was not a gun owner. Had I had such a policy, no doubt I would have felt strong enough about it to have a violator arrested for carrying, if local/state law provided that carrying past a no carry sign was considered trespassing.

  8. #137
    It just occurred to me that my ex-wife works for GGP, the largest mall owners in the country. I think I'll ask her about their gun policy. I'll post her answer here after I talk to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    There is a difference between private property and property that is open to the public. If property owner's rights prevail can I open a restaurant w/ a seperate section for "colored" folks?
    No sir. "Colored" folks as a group are protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Gun owners are not a protected group.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) was a landmark piece of legislation in the United States that outlawed major forms of discrimination against blacks, women, including racial segregation, country of origin and religious affiliation. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public ("public accommodations").
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  10. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    No sir. "Colored" folks as a group are protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Gun owners are not a protected group.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964) was a landmark piece of legislation in the United States that outlawed major forms of discrimination against blacks, women, including racial segregation, country of origin and religious affiliation. It ended unequal application of voter registration requirements and racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that served the general public ("public accommodations").
    Additionally, you cannot "choose" to be black or female. But you CAN choose to carry or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JrFreak View Post
    I wouldn't say anything to the restaurant. They don't have ears!

    As for the owner... nothing. Concealed = he/she won't know. If the US Government says I can carry a weapon concealed to protect myself how can a friggin restaurant owner tell me I can't...??
    Because the owner of that restuarant trumps our second amendment rights while on his private property. As I said in an earlier post... no one enters my home armed. NO ONE. Period. My property, my rules. This right of the property owner has been upheld by numerous courts throughout America.
    GOD, GUNS and GUITARS

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