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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    But the ability of the property owner to dictate what is allowable or is not allowable on their premises isn't.



    And you didn't answer my question, so I'll repeat it.

    What gives a property owner the ability to say that they don't want me smoking in their living room?
    Smoking affects everyone around them. It emits a noxious odor and a poisonous gas. Smoking leaves behind residue that must be cleaned up. My concealed firearm affects nobody but me, and the criminal if need be.

    And that's the difference. There is all this talk of "trampling on the rights of others." I am not trampling anything. I am not destroying anything. I am not taking money away from anybody. I am not causing them discomfort in any way. I am in no way affecting their lives by carrying a concealed firearm. The only life I am affecting is my own, and those I choose to protect with my firearm, should the need arise.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    If you come onto my property, I can ask you to tape this banana to your forehead. If you don't, what can I do? I can't make you. I can only ask that you comply, and if you don't ask you to leave. If you don't, then I can have you removed.

    That's the property right. Businesses can request anything. You don't have to comply.
    Additionally, to come back to your asinine extremist example here, did you have a SIGN outside your home that SAID
    'NO ENTRY WITHOUT A BANANA TAPED TO YOUR FOREHEAD"

    Because if you didnt youre being a bit dishonest here.
    Anyone who saw such a sign wouldnt take it seriously to begin with because its absurd...and IF they did theyd think you were a nutcase and probably not come in UNLESS it was someone who knew you anyway.

    THIS is the exaggeration and extremes you folks have to go to in order to justify yourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Smoking affects everyone around them. It emits a noxious odor and a poisonous gas. My concealed firearm affects nobody but me, and the criminal if need be.

    And that's the difference. There is all this talk of "trampling on the rights of others." I am not trampling anything. I am not destroying anything. I am not taking money away from anybody. I am not causing them discomfort in any way. I am in no affecting their lives by carrying a concealed firearm. The only life I am affecting is my own, and those I choose to protect with my firearm, should the need arise.
    And that is the problem with your type. If YOU dont see it as an offense then its not.
    My ex felt the same way when she was sleeping around.
    It wasnt hurting anyone because no one knew.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Smoking affects everyone around them. It emits a noxious odor and a poisonous gas. My concealed firearm affects nobody but me, and the criminal if need be.
    Funny. ha. ha.

    Try not to get wrapped up in the minutia of taking the example so literally.


    But what is the answer to the question?

    What gives the property owner the ability to say that I can't smoke in their living room?

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    No. I'm not trespassing because I carry my property (gun, phone, banana) onto their property. I'm trespassing if I'm asked to leave and don't.

    Sorry that you feel that you're being lumped into the same category by the Brady bunch. That really irks you, doesn't it?

    My moral compass doesn't point to where yours does, so I don't have one? Nice. And no, I don't take porn into a church because there's a rule. I choose not to.

    As to why I didn't inform the management I was carrying...I choose to find out the facts first, and I took my fight to the people who could affect change the most, the corporate offices. Not only did I tell them I was carrying, I told them that if, for some reason I chose to visit their establishment while the signs were there, that I'd violate their "rule" and carry anyway, but I probably wouldn't be back in their store until the signs were gone.

    You want proof? Here's a whole thread on another site devoted to the issue.

    However, that wasn't the point of my little story. I was trying to convey that the rules can be changed, and if you're so fracking concerned by the voice of the Brady bunch, that you should become a voice against them, not griping to gun carriers about their choice to carry.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jtg452 View Post
    Funny. ha. ha.

    Try not to get wrapped up in the minutia of taking the example so literally.


    But what is the answer to the question?

    What gives the property owner the ability to say that I can't smoke in their living room?
    Because it is their property, obviously! And they have the right to remove you from their property if they desire to because you smoke there. AND the private owner of a business has the right to remove me from their property if I carry a gun there. I won't argue with a property owner who wants me to leave because of my gun.

    HOWEVER, my concealed firearm is nobody's business but my own so long as it carried in accordance with the applicable state and federal laws.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger357SP101 View Post
    You CAN make someone leave your property if they arent complying with your rules.

    That's exactly what I said.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Because it is their property, obviously!
    So, you feel is that it's OK for YOU to ignore their rights to dictate what is allowable on their property as long as YOU get to exercise your rights.

    That's is what you are saying, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger357SP101 View Post
    Additionally, to come back to your asinine extremist example here, did you have a SIGN outside your home that SAID
    'NO ENTRY WITHOUT A BANANA TAPED TO YOUR FOREHEAD"

    Because if you didnt youre being a bit dishonest here.
    Anyone who saw such a sign wouldnt take it seriously to begin with because its absurd...and IF they did theyd think you were a nutcase and probably not come in UNLESS it was someone who knew you anyway.

    THIS is the exaggeration and extremes you folks have to go to in order to justify yourselves.
    I'm not exaggerating. I'm substituting carrying a banana (ok, taping a banana) to the carry of a gun. If I did have a sign stating "no entry without..." that would be a trespassing sign. I'm specifically marking that you must have one, or you can't enter. Saying "no bananas allowed" isn't a trespass sign. It's a request to not carry a banana. If I'm on that property, and they find I have a banana, they can ask me to leave. If I don't, I'm trespassing and can be jailed.

    That's the difference. No gun signs (or phone or banana or whatever) don't hold the same. If that were true, then anyone who ever brought candy into a movie theater could be arrested. It's a rule, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
    No. I'm not trespassing because I carry my property (gun, phone, banana) onto their property. I'm trespassing if I'm asked to leave and don't.
    Did you see the NO GUNS sign?
    if so, you were wrong to go in to begin with.
    As Ive told you a few times now, you only do what you have to do to keep from going to jail.
    You clearly do not have ANY respect for the RIGHTS of others.


    My moral compass doesn't point to where yours does, so I don't have one? Nice. And no, I don't take porn into a church because there's a rule. I choose not to.
    The real question is would you if you did choose to.
    The evidence points to yes.


    As to why I didn't inform the management I was carrying...I choose to find out the facts first, and I took my fight to the people who could affect change the most, the corporate offices.
    BE honest. You knew it would cause a scene if you told them you were packing a gun anyway.

    Ill check it out....I do want the company name and the email you supposedly contacted.
    However, that wasn't the point of my little story. I was trying to convey that the rules can be changed, and if you're so fracking concerned by the voice of the Brady bunch, that you should become a voice against them, not griping to gun carriers about their choice to carry.
    I do.
    And I have to spent time downplaying the behavior of YOUR type when I do talk to these Brady nuts who point out **** like how some gun owners have no respect for others.
    Why in the hell do you think Im on this topic, friend?

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