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  1. #1151
    It was a VERY simple question.

    How was it determined on July 2nd 1776 that we declare our independence?

    Was Salaam Hussein voted out of office in Iraq by a majority vote?
    Yes, dipshlt - he was.

    By the joint resolution our Congress voted on.

    WTF is wrong with you?

    it is the group of people with the most firepower that establishes the government.
    And guess which group has the most firepower in this country?

    I'll give you another hint - it's not Billy Bob and his rambling 10%.

    And it never will be.

    You know why?

    Because the majority will never allow it.







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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    It was a VERY simple question.

    How was it determined on July 2nd 1776 that we declare our independence?



    Yes, dipshlt - he was.

    By the joint resolution our Congress voted on.

    WTF is wrong with you?



    And guess which group has the most firepower in this country?

    I'll give you another hint - it's not Billy Bob and his rambling 10%.

    And it never will be.

    You know why?

    Because the majority will never allow it.







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    Once again, you showcase your monstrous stupidity...
    For those like you 'hound, there is no hope.
    Do us all a favor and remain quiet while the people who know what they're saying are posting.
    But of course, you won't quit..

    Sad sad man you be....

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    How you coming on that amendment, Chuckles?

    You still need more time?

    You need to hurry up, because next we will be covering "of the people, by the people, and for the people", And It sure looks like you are going to have a hard time with that one.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    It was a VERY simple question.

    How was it determined on July 2nd 1776 that we declare our independence?
    The American Revolution and the overthrow of the government the revolutionists were under at the time began in April, 1775.

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Was Salaam Hussein voted out of office in Iraq by a majority vote? Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    Yes, dipshlt - he was.

    By the joint resolution our Congress voted on.

    WTF is wrong with you?
    Wow, and to think all it took was the vote of Congress to overthrow the Hussein regime in Iraq. Dang, it's too bad we wasted all those resources and Americans' lives to remove him by force when all it would have taken was the vote. You have just proved my point and showed yourself to be an idiot. The Hussein government did not throw it's hands up and quit just because someone in another country passed a resolution. If 90% of the population of Iraq had participated in a vote and voted Sadaam out, his government would not have thrown up their hands and quit. Because in Iraq at the time Sadaam had the firepower and enough followers to use that firepower to keep the majority of his subjects in fear. They were too afraid to vote him out and even they had he would not have stepped down just because the people wanted him too. It wasn't until the US used more firepower than Sadaam had that his government was overthrown. There have been majorities of citizens of different countries all throughout history who have lived unwillingly under dictators and those dictators remained in power until someone came along and removed them by force.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    And guess which group has the most firepower in this country?

    I'll give you another hint - it's not Billy Bob and his rambling 10%.
    You are correct, the Federal government controls the firepower in this country. And part of the reason is because they have infringed upon the 2nd Amendment protection of the citizens' rights to keep and bear arms enough to ensure that the Federal government keeps control of the firepower in this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    And it never will be.
    I'm sure that is probably what the government and government supporters of the USSR were saying until 1991. What's going to happen when the Federal government spends itself right into bankruptcy and ceases to exist just like the USSR did?

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    You know why?

    Because the majority will never allow it.
    The "majority" will become whomever acquires the firepower of the Federal government when it spends itself out of existence. No government of mankind will ever exist eternally.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    The American Revolution and the overthrow of the government the revolutionists were under at the time began in April, 1775.
    <sigh>

    The first Continental Congress convened in 1774.

    You know,... to vote on whether or not to boycott all British goods.

    Give it up, imbecile.

    Majority rule in this country goes back to before Branford - get over it.

    You're making a fool of yourself.

    (Although it is quite hilarious to note that you actually DID think the authors of the DOI just took it upon themselves to write it,... that's a scream!)

    Wow, and to think all it took was the vote of Congress to overthrow the Hussein regime in Iraq.
    You said he wasn't voted out by a majority - he was.

    What part of that is tripping you up?

    You are correct, the Federal government controls the firepower in this country. And part of the reason is because they have infringed upon the 2nd Amendment protection of the citizens' rights to keep and bear arms enough to ensure that the Federal government keeps control of the firepower in this country.
    Hey dip-shlt.

    You really wanna know what is eroding the 2A?

    You.

    You and your incredibly ignorant ilk who share a brain-dead interpretation of the 2A that it somehow obliges a minority of this country to take up arms and impose their brand of government on the rest of us.

    And here's the hilarious part - it only applies to a minority you are a part of.

    Any OTHER minority tries that, and it's treason.

    Don't you think it's time you pulled your fascist head out of your ass?

    Stop whining about the big bad government just because you can't always have your way, it's childish and pathetic.

    Our government is comprised of elected officials and those they appoint, it's not just some scary faceless entity that uses our military to "keep us down", it's IS us.

    Despite your blatant ignorance of the system, we have the rare ability to overthrow our government at every election.

    All it takes is a majority vote.

    If you can't live with the will of that majority, I suggest you either convince them to adopt your views, or go somewhere else.

    Because if you try to challenge that will through violent confrontation, you will lose.

    Doesn't get any simpler than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post
    <sigh>

    The first Continental Congress convened in 1774.

    You know,... to vote on whether or not to boycott all British goods.

    Give it up, imbecile.

    Majority rule in this country goes back to before Branford - get over it.

    You're making a fool of yourself.

    (Although it is quite hilarious to note that you actually DID think the authors of the DOI just took it upon themselves to write it,... that's a scream!)



    You said he wasn't voted out by a majority - he was.

    What part of that is tripping you up?



    Hey dip-shlt.

    You really wanna know what is eroding the 2A?

    You.

    You and your incredibly ignorant ilk who share a brain-dead interpretation of the 2A that it somehow obliges a minority of this country to take up arms and impose their brand of government on the rest of us.

    And here's the hilarious part - it only applies to a minority you are a part of.

    Any OTHER minority tries that, and it's treason.

    Don't you think it's time you pulled your fascist head out of your ass?

    Stop whining about the big bad government just because you can't always have your way, it's childish and pathetic.

    Our government is comprised of elected officials and those they appoint, it's not just some scary faceless entity that uses our military to "keep us down", it's IS us.

    Despite your blatant ignorance of the system, we have the rare ability to overthrow our government at every election.

    All it takes is a majority vote.

    If you can't live with the will of that majority, I suggest you either convince them to adopt your views, or go somewhere else.

    Because if you try to challenge that will through violent confrontation, you will lose.

    Doesn't get any simpler than that.
    Oh my God! You are such a stupid, stupid man(?).
    I'd put you on ignore but its too much fun to "watch" you implode!
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    Why Do You Carry Concealed?

    Quote Originally Posted by mojo risin View Post

    If you can't live with the will of that majority, I suggest you either convince them to adopt your views, or go somewhere else.
    Doesn't get any simpler than that.
    That single sentence is why you are stupid.... Sorry! It's true!

    Because of your answer, it is obvious to us that you have no clue as to what form of Government we live under. You are a true student of a public school education...worthless. Just like your opinion...

    Take your high school dropout intellect and get back to your job..... Janitor.

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    Troll most definitely... Why Do You Carry Concealed?

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    If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

    This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking, but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating, but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.
    PS Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:

    Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan , grew up in the Indiana , Illinois , and Texas , and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan . Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan . His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name of

    D.H. Garrison, Jr.

    Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

    Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison

    I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo and I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don’t think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash and I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, and let you decide what to do with those rights.

    About a month ago I let the “democracy” word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It’s not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.

    If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way… Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn’t matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.

    Our founders did not want a “democracy” for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an “immoral majority” developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.

    Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let’s look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin

    Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans and African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.

    I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president and voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.

    Next I’d like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.

    For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:

    The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

    Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington

    The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams

    I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because “We the People” will lose our power of enforcement.

    We need to keep this in mind as our “representatives” try to push gun bans. I don’t care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.

    A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.

    Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.

    It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, and many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.

    If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense and not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson ’s quote. He talks about a “last resort.” I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority can not take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.

    Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin and it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, and though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their “elected servants” say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.

    I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, and what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous and radical or subversive, and it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them and to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.

    Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out and saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don’t want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small and growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives and anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.

    I am not the “subversive” here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns and I leave a few of them wounded or dead, and I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison and may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.

    If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty and yours. It is self-defense and it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770′s and we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.

    This is a case of right and wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, and the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.

    I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up and submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.

    I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I can not tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.

    You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon and I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon and my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.

    I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that “We the People” will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us and we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.

    For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side.

    Are you willing to die to take my guns?

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    Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.

    Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him --- better take a closer look at the American Indian.

    Henry Ford

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    Unconstitutional Official Acts

    16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:

    The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

    The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

    Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it.....

    A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the lend, it is superseded thereby.

    No one Is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

    Jon Roland:

    Strictly speaking, an unconstitutional statute is not a "law", and should not be called a "law", even if it is sustained by a court, for a finding that a statute or other official act is constitutional does not make it so, or confer any authority to anyone to enforce it.

    All citizens and legal residents of the United States, by their presence on the territory of the United States, are subject to the militia duty, the duty of the social compact that creates the society, which requires that each, alone and in concert with others, not only obey the Constitution and constitutional official acts, but help enforce them, if necessary, at the risk of one's life.

    Any unconstitutional act of an official will at least be a violation of the oath of that official to execute the duties of his office, and therefore grounds for his removal from office. No official immunity or privileges of rank or position survive the commission of unlawful acts. If it violates the rights of individuals, it is also likely to be a crime, and the militia duty obligates anyone aware of such a violation to investigate it, gather evidence for a prosecution, make an arrest, and if necessary, seek an indictment from a grand jury, and if one is obtained, prosecute the offender in a court of law.

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    While you are correct, when obummercare got to to SCOTUS our "wonderful and caring" Chief Justice rewrote and twisted himself into a pretzel to make this into the law of the land. If we put our trust into SCOTUS we will lose BIG! Our "wonderful and caring" gubment in no longer a government of the people, by the people and by the people.

    Saying that makes me VERY sad.

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