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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkWd_Don View Post
    Based on what you are saying, when the wife and I have finished paying off the Property we are buying in Montana we will already fit in with the average number of firearms per household there. LOL

    On another note, we might disagree with your comments on private Citizens not partnering with their First responders as the Police can frequently provide insight in better preparing yourself and your home from becoming a victim of other than the kinds of crime that firearms protect you from.
    Well, I wouldn't WANT Citizens thinking they're qualified to make the complex legal decisions that trained LEOs make. In our extended concealed carry class, we didn't just sit there for hours watching a video of some law professor droning on and on about concealed carry and use of deadly force. In our case, we had two instructors who would frequently pause the video and then DEMONSTRATE the complex altercation scenarios — those scenarios in which the instigator has his gun taken away from him and he suddenly becomes the victim, for example, in which case the guy with the gun is now the assailant, and back and forth like that.

    It becomes a really murky legal ********.

    I mean, it's no wonder that trained LEOs don't want to dive into the middle of an altercation. Our instructors told us, very frankly, that they would rather stand back for their own safety when the details of an altercation are unclear, because they may end up on the WRONG SIDE of a bad situation escalating into something worse.

    Now, imagine the well-meaning civilian — who is typically untrained in Criminal Justice, deadly force, etc — inserting himself into a very complex altercation, totally ignorant of who instigated the incident, who was an intended victim, who is in the right and who is in the wrong. Most civilians would make an instant judgement, based on who was holding the gun, right? So the civilian might go to the defense of a BAD GUY.

    And then THREE MORE guys show up with baseball bats and tire irons, and the civilian doesn't know WHO is the bad guy. In which case the civilian just stuck his nose into a VERY NASTY situation from which he might not walk away.

    No. I don't think civilians or armed citizens NEED to be partnering with First Responders, whose JOB is to walk into these hot situations with the LAW on their sides, so the citizen doesn't get mixed up in it.

    I mean, if the average citizen wants to "partner" with First Responders, then I suggest that citizen become a certified EMT or a volunteer Fireman or go to the Police Academy and take a Criminal Justice course — I don't think some well-meaning citizen with a Concealed Carry permit (who barely managed to keep all his rounds inside a 2-foot target at 21 feet, okay?), is qualified to attend or is needed in the "crime fighting" community.

    Hey, that goes for me, too. In my view, it's enough that I'm alert and aware of the law and that I know my rights and I love packin' heat.

    See, I'm making a HARD distinction between Citizen Militias and the Executive Branch of government. An armed citizenry is NECESSARY to a FREE STATE, but the Central Government is CHARGED with defending the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic.

    That means the POLICE and the FBI and the BATF and the DEA and the INS and all the other enforcement agencies are operatives of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of Central Government. Their JOB is to defend the nation, under the Constitution.

    But the armed citizen's JOB is to keep the Nation FREE. Says so in the Second Amendment.

    We DO NOT WANT the free and armed American Citizens PARTNERING with the Central Government, okay? The Citizen Militia CANNOT BE an instrument of the government, it MUST be separate; because, when the Central Government waxes corrupt and oppressive and unconstitutional, all those Executive agencies are going to SIDE with the corrupt government. Am I right or am I right?

    In which case, WE become the last line of defense of American Liberty.

    THAT'S WHY the citizenry should ALWAYS be better armed than the government.

    And we ARE better armed than the government, actually. I mean, the American Military is comprised of a little over 2 million active personnel, believe it or not. That's all. The MIGHT of our military is the technology that we have placed in the hands of some 2 million personnel. The various police agencies in this country employ about 800,000 personnel. The Federal enforcement agencies (FBI, DEA, INS, BATF, etc) are reluctant to reveal their personnel numbers; but we know the Federal agencies actually have far fewer personnel than the police agencies, inasmuch as the Federal agencies SPECIALIZE, whereas the police agencies deal in a broadly general way with the public.

    So, all told, we can make a guesstimate that there are some 5 or 6 Million armed Executive Branch operatives with licenses to kill. These are the guys who WILL obey the President's order when TSHTF. Look at Katrina.

    Now, please don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to incite violence or call for an armed insurrection or anything like that. I'm just crunching numbers here.

    Facts are, we have, oh hell, let's be generous and say there are 7 Million people in the Central Government who are heavily armed and their job is to take care of "bad guys" both foreign and domestic, okay? Those 7 million Executive personnel are the Guardians, those are the Sentries, those are the Warriors, okay. And I salute.

    But these intrepid heroes need to ask themselves What will happen when the U.S. Congress eviscerates the Constitution, tosses its moldering guts in the dumpster, and implements some kind of draconian Martial Law across the land?

    Whose orders do you follow? Do you follow your heart and oath and defend the Constitution? Then you're a traitor. But. Wait. You've got to follow orders or they'll kill your ass.

    Man, I do not envy the kids taking the Oath today... There is so much Socialist corruption in our Central Government, they're training the kids to defend the GOVERNMENT, rather than the PEOPLE.
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
    the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Austin Miller View Post
    Well, I wouldn't WANT Citizens thinking they're qualified to make the complex legal decisions that trained LEOs make. ~~ clipped ~~
    No. I don't think civilians or armed citizens NEED to be partnering with First Responders, whose JOB is to walk into these hot situations with the LAW on their sides, so the citizen doesn't get mixed up in it.

    I mean, if the average citizen wants to "partner" with First Responders, then I suggest that citizen become a certified EMT or a volunteer Fireman or go to the Police Academy and take a Criminal Justice course I don't think some well-meaning citizen with a Concealed Carry permit (who barely managed to keep all his rounds inside a 2-foot target at 21 feet, okay?), is qualified to attend or is needed in the "crime fighting" community.

    ~~ clipped ~~ Am I right or am I right?

    In which case, WE become the last line of defense of American Liberty.

    THAT'S WHY the citizenry should ALWAYS be better armed than the government.

    And we ARE better armed than the government, actually. I mean, the American Military is comprised of a little over 2 million active personnel, believe it or not. That's all. ~~ clipped ~~.
    As your interpretation of partnering is closer to equating each partner to being the same.. I would agree. With my interpretation being different, I would disagree. I am not saying or even tying to insinuate/suggest that untrained civilians should ever consider themselves to be equal to our First responders and capable of doing those jobs, thereby giving them any right or authority to go out looking to do their first responders jobs.. Though I do see that it is more than possible with simple coordination with our first responders to become less of a victim and to make things easier for those first responders to do their jobs and that is my interpretation of partnering with the first responders.

  4. Protection for myself and others. What can happen in 15 seconds will take law enforcemnet at least 15 minutes to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glxedwards View Post
    I carry for the same reason I have fire extinguishers on my boat and in my home. I dont expect a fire, I dont want a fire, but if it happens I wish to be prepared.

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    right on the money, you never know, you need to be prepared for any and/or everything.

  6. Because it is my right as an American. And there are several desperate meth users in the area.

  7. #386

    Concealed

    [QUOTE=tattedupboy;198880]I do it for protection, plain and simple. Yes, I was shot in the back and robbed just over two years ago while carrying, but nevertheless, I believe my chances of surviving an encounter with a criminal are a lot better if I'm carrying than if I'm not.[/QI carry concealed



    I carry concealed for self defense of my loved ones and myself period!

  8. #387
    I carry concealed because carrying it in my hand in public scares old people.

    After having a business deal open my eyes as to the dangers that certain classes of society pose to my family and I, I decided to arm myself as well as my family. I think that if more folks knew just how screwed up people were, people that share the same roads, Stores, Parks and space in general as "Normal" folks, then more folks would carry a firearm. We all have permits and DO CARRY RELIGIOUSLY. My finding is that when people know that you carry a firearm, they are far less likely to misbehave in your presence. Also, by carrying a firearm and being well trained in its use I am more confident in my ability to protect my family.

  9. #388
    I like the fire extinguisher analogy and I may have to use it some time down the road. I also carry because I have a twin brother that is a Federal Correctional Officer and many unsavory characters know his face. For those that don't know, FCO's do not wear their uniforms off their work location because they can and will be attacked by disgruntled family members and released inmates. In fact, my brother has lost coworkers this way. Now back to why I carry. Since I am an identical twin I have had several occasions where I have had odd, long, and accusative stares at me by people that look a little less than up and up if you know what I am saying. It is not a comfortable situation with my family and small children in the car waiting on me. I am waiting for that one day that someone thinks I am my brother and decides to try to hurt me. I would rather be prepared than scared.

  10. #389
    i have two small children and a wonderful wife that i want to protect. i also work in the health care industry where people would want to come in and get medications that are highly addictive

  11. #390
    I would like to give my 2 cents on this subject because it is very important to me. I have been carrying a weapon for close to 20 years. I have collectively 19 years with the federal government and 11 of those were law enforcement. Now that I am now a regular citizen and walking the streets with a concealed license I see things a bit different. I carry my weapon at all times with the exception when I am at my civilian full time job. I carry for the same reasons that most of you do. I would rather have the weapon with me and not need it or need the weapon and not have it.


    I feel I see things differently than most of the untrained concealed permit carriers. I have seen some of my students with that look in their eye that they can now legally kill another person (You all know what I am talking about). I spend most of the end of my class instructing them that using deadly force is abosutlutly the last resort. I have read many posts on this site where some guy thinks he would rather kill someone and deal with the possible jail time, etc. What I feel you all must do is avoid the situation you may find yourself at all costs. Let me give a few examples:

    1) I see a few suspects (still can't get out of the cop lingo yet) "Gang bangers" looking as if they may rob me. What do I do? I turn around and go the other way while maintaining and keeping my situational awareness at all times.

    2) Some A hole cuts me off and flips me the middle finger in traffic. What do I do? I keep my eyes on the road and slowly let the guy pass and get as much distance as possible.

    3) I am getting out of my car in the bank parking lot. I hear gun shots. I see a guy run out of the bank with a silver revolver in his hand. What do I do? I take cover behind my car, try to get a description of the guy, his car, the tag and the direction that he left and call 911.

    4) (THIS IS A TRUE STORY) I am walking in the mall with my 5 year old son (I am a off duty LEO at the time). I hear a few pops what sound like fire crackers. I see people running in my direction. I ask a lady what is going on, and she replies that some guy just shot another guy. What do I do? I looked down at my sons face and did not hesitate to pick him up and run my butt out of that mall. (Did some of you actually think I was going to get in a armed encounter with my 5 year old in tow?)


    These are some of the situations that all of you need to game play in your head. Just because you may be legally permitted to use deadly force does not mean you actually have too. I have thousands of hours of training, live shoot houses, close quarter shoot houses, live fire drills in the shoot houses with your partner or team, etc., but I am not bragging about the training that I received. I just would like to drill that most of us should take the High Road and try to not get into a situation that you could of avoided, for example the Florida shooting of the teen by Zimmerman. (I am not going to argue if it was a good or bad shooting). Just use your brain before you use deadly force.


    You see where I am going with this. Choosing the HIGH road is always the best choice. Now don't get me wrong, I am no scared sheep, I am well trained and am ready to defend myself and my family from any forcible felony and I will use the minimal amount of force to stop that felony to include deadly force. I have never had to discharge my weapon at another person and I pray I never have too but you better believe I train like I fight and I am ready.

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