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  1. The use of deadly force with your weapon

    What should you do and say after you have been forced into a situation where you have to use deadly force? Hopefully I will never have this experience but I think it would be good to be knowledgeable about it should it ever occur. Comments?

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  3. get your phone

    call 911 or have someone you trust to explain the situation calmly and factually call the authorities and call your attorney. Then STFU

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    After a deadly force situation

    Quote Originally Posted by 357_av View Post
    What should you do and say after you have been forced into a situation where you have to use deadly force? Hopefully I will never have this experience but I think it would be good to be knowledgeable about it should it ever occur. Comments?
    @Cvaughan is right: call 911, explain what happened in a calm and clear manner. Keep it short and to the point and FACTUAL. Then invoke and wait for your lawyer before you say anything else.

    the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners says this:

    Q: What should I do if I ever need to use my gun in self-defense?

    A: You should first be certain that the threat is removed before you lower your guard. Then, call 911 and say that there has been a shooting. Describe the immediate need for ambulance and police (and fire department if applicable). Tell the 911 operator where you are, how many people are wounded etc. Do not have your gun in your hand when police arrive unless you absolutely must hold someone at gun point. In either case, make sure that you describe yourself and your clothing. Fight the urge to start telling your story and stick to the relevant facts that the emergency responders need to do their jobs. Even if an individual was attacking you only moments before, once the threat is removed, you should do the responsible thing and promptly call 911 so that aid can be rendered. Remember that your goal is not to kill, but to protect yourself or others from a credible threat of death, great bodily harm that could lead to death, or rape. If you effectively use your firearm, the death of the attacker(s) will probably be the result and a homicide investigation will be undertaken.

    They recommend that you exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent and also invoke your right to have counsel present during any questioning. You should answer basic questions asked in the interests of safety such as "Where is he?" "Where is the gun?" "What is your name?" "Are you hit?" etc., but they do not recommend that you discuss details until you've had a chance to reflect, calm down, and seek counsel.

    We all hope to never need this guidance, but it's best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    Best,

  5. After a deadly force incident you should stop. Call 911 explain who you are give a rough physical description and state that you are an armed citizen with a concealed carry permit who has been involved in an incident where you were "In fear of your life" and shots were fired. You should explain that someone is injured and give their description. A description of those who fled the scene should also be given. Give no more detail than that.

    Do not describe what happened, why you shot, how many times you shot. If you are asked any more questions respond with:
    "I intend to fully cooperate with your investigation but I do not wish to make any further statements until I have consulted with my attorney."

    You should have in your wallet a card of a criminal defense attorney who is experienced in dealing with justifiable use of force and has successfully defended concealed carry permit holders in the past.

    It may also be a good idea to look into self defense legal representation insurance.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by eaccents View Post
    @Cvaughan is right: call 911, explain what happened in a calm and clear manner. Keep it short and to the point and FACTUAL. Then invoke and wait for your lawyer before you say anything else.

    the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners says this:

    Q: What should I do if I ever need to use my gun in self-defense?

    A: You should first be certain that the threat is removed before you lower your guard. Then, call 911 and say that there has been a shooting. Describe the immediate need for ambulance and police (and fire department if applicable). Tell the 911 operator where you are, how many people are wounded etc. Do not have your gun in your hand when police arrive unless you absolutely must hold someone at gun point. In either case, make sure that you describe yourself and your clothing. Fight the urge to start telling your story and stick to the relevant facts that the emergency responders need to do their jobs. Even if an individual was attacking you only moments before, once the threat is removed, you should do the responsible thing and promptly call 911 so that aid can be rendered. Remember that your goal is not to kill, but to protect yourself or others from a credible threat of death, great bodily harm that could lead to death, or rape. If you effectively use your firearm, the death of the attacker(s) will probably be the result and a homicide investigation will be undertaken.

    They recommend that you exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent and also invoke your right to have counsel present during any questioning. You should answer basic questions asked in the interests of safety such as "Where is he?" "Where is the gun?" "What is your name?" "Are you hit?" etc., but they do not recommend that you discuss details until you've had a chance to reflect, calm down, and seek counsel.

    We all hope to never need this guidance, but it's best to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    Best,
    Beat me to it!

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    "I was in fear for my life. I was forced to defend myself. I will sign a complaint. I intend to fully cooperate with your investigation. Please afford me the time to speak with an attorney before I speak with you, the same courtesy you would afford a fellow officer who was in this same situation."

    Do NOT consent to any voluntary searches and say NOTHING else. You will only talk yourself into a prison cell for a long time. Unfortunately, no matter what you say to them at the scene, you are not going to beat the ride. You will almost certainly be handcuffed and taken to the station. Keep your cool and wait for your attorney.

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    All of this advice has been awsome so far, but they all left one thing out... Make sure you say goodby as*Ho*e, to the dead perp... then call 911
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    Short and simple:
    1. Give location
    2. Give name, and physical description/clothing color, etc. for immediate ID purposes
    3. Holster weapon unless needed to further contain situation
    4. Tell dispatcher "I have been forced into stopping a situation using deadly force"
    5. I need an ambulance for the perpetrator
    6. Give a very short description of what just happened, invoke, shut up and call attorney
    Kill them all and let God sort them out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 357_av View Post
    What should you do and say after you have been forced into a situation where you have to use deadly force? Hopefully I will never have this experience but I think it would be good to be knowledgeable about it should it ever occur. Comments?
    You should absolutely follow all the random anonymous advice you get on the internet instead of actually contacting a lawyer in your area who is well versed in 2nd amendment law.

    Under no circumstance should you schedule a consultation w/ him ( even if it costs you a couple hundred) get some pointers from him and establish a working relationship w/ him so the first time he hears your name isn't when his answering service calls him to arrange your bail in the middle of the night.

    Just follow the random internet legal advice ( that's worth exactly what you paid for it) you'll be fine
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    At every gun show in AZ, we have a few attorney's handing out cards and actually holding little town hall meetings. I didn't attend one last time but plan to at the June show. At least I want to put their information in my iPhone. I think having an attorney's information is just as important as having your credentials.

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