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    Can all the idiots stop carrying so they don't ruin it for the rest of us...

    http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/orange_news/052511-Victims-in-smokey-bones-restaurant-shooting-released

    The coverage of this story has been fraught with half truths and fearmongering but none of it would happen if this guy had been carrying responsibly. If you value the existence of gun rights please either use them with intelligence or leave them for someone more mature to use... (***place where you get to imagine all the things I want to mutter under my breath right now)

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    Could not pick up in the video but, just based on your remarks, you are absolutley right in what you say. Even the "tone" of some repliers on this forum scare me with their very aggressive comments, although I am sure some of that is easy bravado when sitting at a computer. All in all, with the media being in the pocket of the liberal left anti-gun people, stupidity with a firearm is just the "food" they need to get their point across, even though many of them probably own firearms (which, of course, would be excused under gun control because they are legislators etal and only THEY know how to use them) or have government protection--in any event their LEOs are seconds away--us poor schm__ks can fend for ourselves since LEOs are really minutes if not hours away, not to mention the lessons all of us should remember when it comes to a government establishing a fascist base, which is a heck of a lot easier when the populace is disarmed.

  4. I thought when you carried it had to be in a secured holster? That is just sad!

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    The link's not working.
    However, I feel the same way that you do. I would prefer "certain" people such as idiots and macho headed morons who get a thrill up there leg from carrying did not carry a firearm.

    But, even idiots and morons have the "Right to bear arms" and protect themselves from BGs. That's the way it has to be if we want to live in a "FREE" nation.

    IMHO;
    If you are NOT a BG with evil intent, you should have the "RIGHT" to carry a firearm.
    BUT!!!!
    If you decide to be a BG and take away someone elses right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", then you should also lose the same rights you stole from your victims.

    (ie; If a BG takes away a life, he needs to pay with his life. If a BG steals someone elses property, he should lose his right to own property. If a BG robs or assaults someone and takes away their right to personal safety, they should forfeit all their rights to safety & privacy.)

    I think your thead title might as well be:
    "Can all the the BGs stop carrying so they don't make the rest of us feel the need to carry..."

    Unfortunately, BGs, idiots and morons will ALWAYS find access to firearms. There will always be those instances where idiots, BGs and morons make it difficult for the rest of us. Thus is LIFE in a FREE country. (THANK YOU GOD for this GREAT nation!)

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    As long as I can add "people who are too dumb to carry without shooting a restaurant lobby" to the bad guy list I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcox4freedom View Post
    The link's not working.
    However, I feel the same way that you do. I would prefer "certain" people such as idiots and macho headed morons who get a thrill up there leg from carrying did not carry a firearm.

    But, even idiots and morons have the "Right to bear arms" and protect themselves from BGs. That's the way it has to be if we want to live in a "FREE" nation.

    IMHO;
    If you are NOT a BG with evil intent, you should have the "RIGHT" to carry a firearm.
    BUT!!!!
    If you decide to be a BG and take away someone elses right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness", then you should also lose the same rights you stole from your victims.

    (ie; If a BG takes away a life, he needs to pay with his life. If a BG steals someone elses property, he should lose his right to own property. If a BG robs or assaults someone and takes away their right to personal safety, they should forfeit all their rights to safety & privacy.)

    I think your thead title might as well be:
    "Can all the the BGs stop carrying so they don't make the rest of us feel the need to carry..."

    Unfortunately, BGs, idiots and morons will ALWAYS find access to firearms. There will always be those instances where idiots, BGs and morons make it difficult for the rest of us. Thus is LIFE in a FREE country. (THANK YOU GOD for this GREAT nation!)
    Here it is for you.

    ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -

    A 4-year old was released from the hospital on Wednesday after he and his mother were injured the night before when a gun accidentally discharged at an Orlando restaurant. Police say it happened at the Smokey Bones Restaurant off East Colonial.



    "Jacob got some shrapnel in his hands. He's four years old. It's very very scary, people walking around with a 9mm in their pocket." Shari Minter says her daughter Kristin Heaney and grandson Jacob were injured in the Smokey Bones restaurant off E. Colonial.

    Police say, a gun went off in the pocket of the man standing behind them.The bullet hit the floor, but pieces of the tile then injured three others including Jacob. Police say the gun owner had a concealed weapons permit.

    "I think the permit gives you lots of options." Gun law expert Jon Gutmacher says even if a business posts a sign banning guns it doesn't always work.

    "Does it make it illegal for someone to go in there with a concealed weapons permit and disobey the sign? In my opinion no, you can do it."

    Police say, the 9mm gun wasn't in a holster. Another person was also injured from shrapnel, as well as the gun owner himself.

    "It blows me away. It's a Springfield XD 9mm. It's has a grip safety and trigger safety. Intentionally or not intentionally he would have had to move the trigger back, it's only about a 5 pound pull."

    Jon recommends using a pocket holster to prevent guns from accidentally going off, "It makes the firearm easily accessible and makes it safer."

    The name of the gun owner was not released because the case is still under investigation. He was charged with culpable negligence.

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    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

  8. Another reason to recommend the use of a good holster. According to the article the gun in question was an XD 9mm. I suspect it was the subcompact model but that was not specified in the article. The XD9-SC is a double stack 3" pistol. It is a very large pistol for pocket carry.

    As stated in the article, the XD has a trigger safety and a grip safety, The trigger safety functions simply by mechanically limiting the trigger's travel. The grip safety functions by internally engaging the trigger with the sear and both grip and trigger work to gether to disengage a third safety which blocks the striker.

    The striker and mainspring are fully charged in an XD unlike a glock where the action of the trigger moves the striker to the fully charged position.

    It is difficult to imagine a situation in which an XD would accidently discharge. An object engaging the trigger would not fire the pistol. It is unlikely but I suppose a drawstring wrapped once around the handgrip and over the trigger could cause an accidental discharge if enough tension was placed on the string, but I think that to be an unlikely scenario.

    At least in this case the injuries appear to be quite minor. Superficial abrasions from floor tile is a very cheap butchers bill for a negligent (or accidental) discharge

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparmer View Post
    I thought when you carried it had to be in a secured holster? That is just sad!
    Sadly no! We have people who choose to carry "gangster style" when carrying concealed, or in this numb-nuts case pocket carry with out a holster. To bad he didn't shoot his reproductive parts off, one person with no brain and a firearm is enough.

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    What a TOOL!..... Playing with a gun when there is a child at your feet is inexcusable!! We all know he will claim that the gun just went off, "ALL BY ITSELF". That might be believeable if it were HOLSTERED!

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    XD-9 has a grip safety he had to discharge it. You cannot legislate stupid, hell if we did congress/senate would cease to exist. Mothers comment that gun in pocket is scary, how did she know it was in pocket. I think this idot was playing with the gun and discharged same.

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