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  1. Owning a pit bull is like having a negligent discharge. The owners should be totally responsible and prosecuted to the fullest for owning a breed that should be terminated. Sorry pit owners.... do you let you kids play with a loaded gun. A time bomb waiting to blow up. I have read and heard more stories about the breed then any other. now, don't get your panties in a wad you may just have the 1 in 10,000 that might be a little non aggressive. How often do you hear about a Lab tear up your neighbor??? Not to long ago in South GA. a wild pack of dogs killed a elderly man and wife walking down a rural road....not sure if a pit bull was in the pack.
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    Dogs are for sure something that I worry about just as much as BGs, if not more. I have a few "Street Pharmacists" (commonly known as Drug Dealers) that live near my area, and those dogs are always lurking around. With my safety, and many of the children that live around me as well, I cannot help but wonder if they get out will they attack. I have no issue (with my lawyer of course) making a statement to the police as to why I shot some crazy dog going on a biting rampage on myself or a child. I have seen first hand the damage those beats can cause and just as any other person, I say no thanks to that. I'm sure they will either sue me in Civil Court (or I'll have another BG to worry about) but, hmmmm....BG on my case, Injured for live, or death. The choice seems easy to me.

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    Sorry, my point was missed. Pitbulls, in my research, can be many breeds of bull dog (ie: american stafford shire terrier, the must common pitbull), the only difference is if they are fought in pits...I own an american stafford shire terrier, I know they aren't illegal to breed, but to breed a dog for its sole prose to fight is illegal.

    I love my bull dog btw.

    Also you read more stories about pitbulls because the media hates them. I read more stories about guns being used illegally, murdering children than I do about guns being used to save a family...guess that means guns are bad...I also respond to more labrador and shepherd attacks than pitbull attacks.

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    Follow up post...when I asked about bull dogs I meant the family of bulls, not the american bull dog or english bull dog...which btw I have seen both running around with a 10ft long bamboo stick, no heart attack happened then...90 lb bowling ball full bore into your legs will knock you down...its funny to boot!

    Also owning a great dog is not like a negligent discharge...negligent discharge is like a negligent discharge...don't compare the two, its unfair to such a great breed that has done nothing wrong themselves compared to other breeds.

    Irresponsible gun owners shouldn't have guns as much as irresponsible dog owners shouldn't have dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I also respond to more labrador and shepherd attacks than pitbull attacks.
    1. Labs, sheps, etc. are far more common than pitbulls.

    2. Please define "attack" as you used it above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I would like to see some studies on the reason bull dogs aren't used for guard dogs before I believe thats the reason.

    Pitbulls are illegal to breed because they are bred to fight in pits. Bull dogs (many of the same breeds) that aren't bred to fight are great dogs. My bull dog listens to every one of my commands, so did my Labrador (died recently of cancer) . My dog has the same chance of becoming agressive as any one of us. But i don't label all gun owners as being responsible until one day they are not.
    Go ask a K9 officer. I have. "Too aggressive" was the response I got.

    All dog breeds are not the same. They have different inherent tendencies. This is the same reason that golden retrievers, labs, collies, etc. aren't used as police dogs.....they're not agressive enough.

    I'm sure somewhere, sometime pits have been used in this capacity but virtually all agencies go with dobermans, rotties, shepperds, etc. for a reason.
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    1. Yes there are more, so there would be more attacks...but does that excuse the poor handling of these dogs? No, it does not. I stand by my personal experience, that other more common breeds are worse.

    2. Anything that warrants 911, be it emotional crisis, or physical (ie lacerations or broken bones)

    3. PD found the bull dog to be unfit for duty...some departments believe citizens shouldn't carry either...my uncle is a police officer who owns 2 staffordshire terriers, swears by their loyalty and obedience...

    Dogs do have tendency, just like humans who were brought up in different environments. A dog brought up in a responsible environment well have less tendency to be randomly violent than any dog brought up in a violent environment. I believe violence to be a learned trait, not an inherited one.

    I don't disagree, a firearm is great for defense against any threat, animal or human. I just disagree on the opinion I read in this thread about pitbulls.

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    As happens all too often, a term or name gets picked up and mis-used to imply a generalized "profile", if you will. There are standards for the breeding of the American Pit Bull Terrier or "Pit-Bull". This dog is not a "Bulldog" but in the Terrier group, nor are breeds of actual bulldogs (English Bulldog and American Bulldog) "pit-bulls", although many try to call them so. The pit-bull does have some American Bulldog breed into it but that trait was for strength and agility. The terrier was breed into the pit-bull for the trait of ferociousness.

    As the media and generally "scared people" have jumped on the hate pit-bull bandwagon, they have "profiled" many breeds into the pit-bull generalization. It is even happening in the posts on this topic. For the record, I am not a big fan of "Pit-Bulls" (American Pit Bull Terrier). I would not own one. However, I do own an American Bulldog. This breed has been one of the most popular "farm" dogs for decades throughout the South. My Dad owned American Bulldogs as I was going up on a farm. And yes, properly trained, they would catch a hog (3 times their size) or a cow (15 times their size).

    I experienced these generalizations about 2 years ago. My insurance company, which I have used for 30 years, dropped my homeowners coverage because they found that I owned an American Bulldog. They joined the "crazed" panic created by the media and "scardies" and assumed(ass out of "u" and "me") that it was a "Pit-Bull". Even though my agent argued and even got statements from veterinarians verifying that the American Bulldog was not a "pit-bull", I still lost my insurance. I found out later that they were even starting to do the same with german shepards, dobermans, and rotts.

    Pardon the ramble but generalizations about dog breeds kind of ruffles my feathers these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weagle83:207867
    As happens all too often, a term or name gets picked up and mis-used to imply a generalized "profile", if you will. There are standards for the breeding of the American pit Bull Terrier or "Pit-Bull". This dog is not a "Bulldog" but in the Terrier group, nor are breeds of actual bulldogs (English Bulldog and American Bulldog) "pit-bulls", although many try to call them so. The pit-bull does have some American Bulldog breed into it but that trait was for strength and agility. The terrier was breed into the pit-bull for the trait of ferociousness.

    As the media and generally "scared people" have jumped on the hate pit-bull bandwagon, they have "profiled" many breeds into the pit-bull generalization. It is even happening in the posts on this topic. For the record, I am not a big fan of "Pit-Bulls" (American Pit Bull Terrier). I would not own one. However, I do own an American Bulldog. This breed has been one of the most popular "farm" dogs for decades throughout the South. My Dad owned American Bulldogs as I was going up on a farm. And yes, properly trained, they would catch a hog (3 times their size) or a cow (15 times their size).

    I experienced these generalizations about 2 years ago. My insurance company, which I have used for 30 years, dropped my homeowners coverage because they found that I owned an American Bulldog. They joined the "crazed" panic created by the media and "scardies" and assumed(ass out of "u" and "me") that it was a "Pit-Bull". Even though my agent argued and even got statements from veterinarians verifying that the American Bulldog was not a "pit-bull", I still lost my insurance. I found out later that they were even starting to do the same with german shepards, dobermans, and rotts.

    Pardon the ramble but generalizations about dog breeds kind of ruffles my feathers these days.
    Nice post. now that I read back on mine even I mixed up dog breeds. But I did know the stereotypical pit bull was a american staffordshire terrier. It gets under my skin as well, especially since I own one...and I wouldn't trade her for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    Nice post. now that I read back on mine even I mixed up dog breeds. But I did know the stereotypical pit bull was a american staffordshire terrier. It gets under my skin as well, especially since I own one...and I wouldn't trade her for anything.
    Apparently the 2 breeds are very similar if not the same. The AKC recognizes the American Staffordshire Terrier and the UKC recognizes the American Pit Bull Terrier. I read that even breeders have a difficult time explaining the difference. Both AKC and UKC recognize the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The Pits can be great dogs. Had a close friend that had 2 and I was around them a lot. Very disciplined dogs but they still made me a little nervous but then I have been nervous around several dogs of different breeds.

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