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  1. Conceal Carry Thoughts

    Its summertime, people are out and about day and night, Heat, drinking, tension, hanging-out, confrontations/situations are more likely to happen.

    Like a Kung-Fu master, avoid fights, avoid confrontations.

    Carry using common sense, avoid printing as much as possible, don't show your hand, sometimes printing or being a known CC can work against you.

    AVOID CONFRONTATIONS!! retreat, call 911, ignore idiots, punks, groups, and instigators, don't let them change you and your families life forever.

    Don't drink and carry, Don't drink and carry and Drive!

    Get some Training, you don't have to go to a Training Camp, some people don't have the time or Cash for Camps, find individuals who can train you, can be LE, Military, NRA person, someone who has been trained in tactical technics, DON'T listen to KNUCKLEHEADS.

    Your training doesn't have to be extensive, i've train LE candidates, LE Graduates, and CC people, the training consist of common sense foundation training. Extensive Tactical Training should be done on outside courses/Camps.

    Simple Technics can make a difference, Weapon Safety, Grip, Sights/Aim, Trigger Pull, Holster/Holster position, Drawing your weapon, KNOW your State's Use of Force Laws.. Conceal Carry and Home defense.

    Don't play with your weapon among your friends, avoid ACCIDENTS.

    Avoid looking for trouble... you know what i mean!

    Know your LIMITATIONS

    When you train/target shooting, don't set yourself up for failure.

    Assesses Your situations, then proceed.

    Choose your ALAMO WISELY!!

    Pointing your weapon at someone changes everything, fire your weapon... and everything will change.

    Your responsible for every bullet that leaves your weapon, and you can't get that bullet back once you hear that BANG.

    Avoid using your weapon, only when you have NO other option/choice.

    You'll never go Jail for NOT firing your weapon, but when you have to shoot, YOU SHOOT.

    When you do shoot, shoot to STOP, NOT KILL, i carry a Glock 36 or 29, two shots to the chest will make the target stop and think. Good Luck... and be TACTICALLY SMART.

    Always refer to your states guidelines and laws on GUN ownership and Carrying in Public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsite View Post
    sometimes printing or being a known CC can work against you.
    Could you provide real world examples, please?
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Over all, this is a good article with some excellent points. :) I only have a couple of suggestions or comments.

    When posting an article, spell check really helps with grammar and spelling. :) Am I the only one that caught the spelling mistake with "technics"?

    You say to "shoot to stop, not kill". I have a couple of problems with that.

    A. if I or a loved one are in fear of serious bodily injury and/or death, when I pull my weapon it will be to put you down permanently. I will do my dead level best to hit you in the "kill zone". While I feel that I am probably good enough to hit you anywhere on your body that I point at, in the heat of the moment my first instinct will be to shoot at the kill zone and put the intruder on the ground.

    When I went through a law enforcement academy back in 1981 they taught us to KILL a person that forces you to use deadly force. Deadly force IS just that, deadly force. If you want to use non lethal force then pulling your firearm and pulling the trigger is the LAST thing you should ever do. If you want to incapacitate an intruder with non lethal weapons then you need to purchase those weapons and get training on how to use them.

    If you injure someone and they are alive that means that they can come back and visit you again and again. I am saying that it is possible, not necessarily probable. Not only that but they and their loved ones can sue you for everything you own. If the shooting is a good shooting then I think you probably do not have a lot to worry about.

    Do we WANT to kill someone? I think that most of us HOPE that it never comes down to that. I would just as soon continue to do target practice at paper targets and be prepared. Being involved in a violent encounter with an intruder or assailant is not something as fun as what Hollywood would like you to believe. It is something you will relive in your mind for days, months and years after it is over.

    Ok, I will shut up now... NEXT....

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    Amen Chief !

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    shoot to stop vs kill

    I think language and nomenclature get confused here. We should always be shooting to stop. Our goal is to stop the threat as soon as possible. That means we're aiming for center chest/head. There is a likelyhood that we will kill the attacker but that was not our goal. Some other locations ( abdomen) may be as likely to be fatal but take longer to stop an attacker. Once the threat stops (person falls to the ground seeming lifeless or drops his gun and runs away etc) we must stop shooting. If we don't were going to need to convince a jury why we were justified in continuing to shoot.

    If we were shooting to kill then it means our goal is to kill the person regardless. That means we'd be justified in dipping our bullets in slow acting poison or walking up to the now unarmed seemingly lifeless attacker and putting 2 extra ones in the head just to be sure. Good luck with that when facing a jury

    Shoot to stop does not mean shoot to wound. It does not mean shoot to kill either

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    Hey there marcparis.... I am going to cut and paste the original statement from above for clarity in my response.

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    "When you do shoot, shoot to STOP, NOT KILL, i carry a Glock 36 or 29, two shots to the chest will make the target stop and think. Good Luck... and be TACTICALLY SMART."

    I agree with you, in that there is a play on words here. Shoot to STOP, NOT TO KILL. If I shoot you twice in the kill zone with a weapon that has sufficient STOPPING power then it will STOP your forward movement (if I am in the front of you and you are attacking me) and there is a good possibility that those rounds will KILL you.

    What was my intent? What will I tell the 911 operator? What will I tell the police officer responding to the scene of the incident?

    Oh dear God, I think I just shot someone that __________ (put me in fear of serious bodily injury and/or death]. Please send an ambulance I think they need medical assistance quickly.

    I would NEVER tell someone that I WANTED to KILL someone intentionally. The important thing to remember is that if you are forced to use deadly force that you identify to 911 and Police that YOU were the victim and that they are on the ground because they put you in fear of your life or the life of a loved one.

    Now, here is another angle on shoot to STOP them but not KILL them. What if the assailant is armed? What if he has a weapon and it is pointed at your chest? Do you take the time to shoot them in the shoulder so they drop the weapon because you are afraid that your shooting them in the kill zone will not only STOP them but also MIGHT kill them? Well, officer (as you are lying in the ambulance with bullet holes in you) I was trying to stop the assailant (turd) so I just shot him in the leg or shoulder and I will be darned if he did not shoot me in my abdomen or chest or ear or whatever part of the body that takes a hit.

    I guess we could go on all day with these scenarios huh? Anyway, point taken... Our intent is to STOP the person or persons who are threatening us or our families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefpropellerhead View Post
    Over all, this is a good article with some excellent points. :) I only have a couple of suggestions or comments.

    When posting an article, spell check really helps with grammar and spelling. :) Am I the only one that caught the spelling mistake with "technics"?
    Oh, chief, my dear. The spelling and grammar errors in many of these posts are enough to make this girl's head spin. I'm not immune from error myself, but my goodness....

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    I know, I know.. please forgive me... I just feel as if people who are using computers to communicate using the English language should take the time to use spell check. It is easy to make mistakes and that is why I DO use spell check as much as possible. I am not trying to be an arse. Sorry.... No harm intended....

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    Following the guidelines of Massad Ayoob, Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow. The determinant of stopping power is BULLET PLACEMENT The point is not to wound or kill the adversary: the point is to stop him in his tracks and make him cease attacking you. "Stopping power" (sometimes called "knock-down power") refers to a particular bullet's ability to incapacitate an attacker - the greater that ability, the less chance that your attacker will be able to continue shooting, stabbing, or beating you after you have shot him.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by marcparis View Post

    Shoot to stop does not mean shoot to wound. It does not mean shoot to kill either
    Marc: In a situation where you have to shoot someone, very few people are accurate enough with a weapon to have the luxury to stand there and take deliberate aim at some point on the body to stop/disable a man. Time generally does not allow you to do that. I was always taught that, if you shoot, try to aim (if you have time) in the triangle between the nipples and the head. That should effectively stop a BG. Of course, he would be dead but isn't that the general purpose of shooting someone in the first place? If you don't have time to aim, shoot for the center of mass. I don't like the idea of killing someone but I also do not relish the thought of someone killing me but, given the chance and some luck, he will be the victim, not me. Asi' es la vida!

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