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  1. CC in California

    Contrary to the beliefs of many, California is not a universally hostile environment for gun owners, or for CC. CC permits are issued by both elected County Sheriffs and appointed City Police Chiefs. Outside of Los Angeles and San Francisco Counties, local Police Chiefs almost always defer CCP policy to the Sheriff.

    In the recent Sacramento County Sheriff's election all three candidates, pressured by local activists, promised to follow a de facto "shall issue" policy, reversing many years of the traditional "good cause" policy, and the winner, Sheriff Scott Jones, has indeed kept his promise.

    Amazingly no shoot-outs involving road-raged, drunken CCP holders appear to have taken place since, and I am enjoying the comfort of going armed at my discretion.

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    Stanislaus county is ccw friendly as well. Just feeling the need to protect yourself and your family outside the home is cause enough to issue. The only problem is the large amounts of requests it took my wife almost 10 months from beginning the process to receiving her permit

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    San Bernardino County Sucks!

    One reason I moved after retiring. They denied my permit because I had a trafffic ticket when I was 18 years old.

    Never had money to pay for it. So I spent two days in jail for it.

    That was the reason for denial. 44 years later it hits me.

    California can stay there! I will stay in Oklahoma and teach concealed weapons.

    California lost a third generation native, on my side and my wife's side.

    They don't care, they just bring in two more illegals to replace us
    Crime has no boundaries - Carry Safe!

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    The best thing I ever did was come back to colorado. California is against anything pro america

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    I used to live in Stockton. It just about took an act of God to get a permit. A deputy chief of police told me to my face that we(I assume he ment law enforcement) did not want Stockton to become a 'armed camp', whatever that was. As we all know the BGs always had guns and because of the policy against CCW people were 'prey'. Stockton is almost always in the top 10 for crime nationally so I think their policy IS NOT WORKING! This policy is one of the reasons I left the Peoples Republic Of California. Yes there are some counties that are close to 'shall issue', but if you live in the Bay Area or Southern California you will have better luck pleading for mercy from the IRS than getting a permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebx61u5 View Post
    Contrary to the beliefs of many, California is not a universally hostile environment for gun owners, or for CC. CC permits are issued by both elected County Sheriffs and appointed City Police Chiefs. Outside of Los Angeles and San Francisco Counties, local Police Chiefs almost always defer CCP policy to the Sheriff.

    In the recent Sacramento County Sheriff's election all three candidates, pressured by local activists, promised to follow a de facto "shall issue" policy, reversing many years of the traditional "good cause" policy, and the winner, Sheriff Scott Jones, has indeed kept his promise.

    Amazingly no shoot-outs involving road-raged, drunken CCP holders appear to have taken place since, and I am enjoying the comfort of going armed at my discretion.
    For what it's worth - the situation is pretty much the same here in Massachusetts. I know it's almost impossible to get a permit if you live in Worcester, and possibly Boston and Springfield are about as bad. But here in my little town, I applied for and was given a Class A Unrestricted card with very little hassle. It took them I think about 45 days from receipt of application to issuance of card.

    Just from chatting around at local gun shops and ranges, and judging also from the patronage at said places, it seems that there is a pretty strong and growing base of CCWs in this state. Gives me a little hope, since this great big party we call the USA pretty much got kicked off over in Lexington and Concord. :)

    The biggest problem here is that the laws and regulations (especially the latter thanks to Atty Gen Martha "There are no Taliban left in Afghanistan" Coakley) are written ambiguously and poorly, and there is theoretically a LOT of room for an overzealous prosecutor to really put the screws to an otherwise law-abiding citizen who misunderstood them. With that said, I am unaware of any specific court case where this has actually happened.

    Also - the laws neither confirm nor prohibit the right to open carry. But it's generally agreed among the firearm-owning community here that open carry could possibly lead to a brandishing charge or at very least get your firearms card revoked, forcing you to sell or otherwise transfer all your firearms...so no one is taking the chance. And there are some really effed-up laws about magazine capacity too, which are a state version of the now-defunct Federal "assault weapons ban." So a couple of big downsides there.

    Anyway - I'm also able to enjoy the "comfort of going armed at my discretion," which is a good thing. I just have to carry more magazines than I otherwise would in a different state. :P
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    There will always be problems, advantage and disadvantage in living in any place, just like any company you work for will have some advantages and disadvantages. If you own your own company and do not work for anyone, then you can do something about what makes you uncomfortable in dealing with other people you network with, give services to and receive services from. As a citizen you are part owner of this country, of your town, of your state. Even if you are a legal resident only. (We are not talking about illegals here...) Voting is one way of eliminating those uninformed officials that says (and I quote...) "there is no taliban left in Afghananistan". I wonder where those talibans are now he is speaking of? Are they here in the US? If so, we must arm to protect ourselves from those terrorist. Start clearing "our house".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    Voting is one way of eliminating those uninformed officials that says (and I quote...) "there is no taliban left in Afghananistan". I wonder where those talibans are now he is speaking of? Are they here in the US? If so, we must arm to protect ourselves from those terrorist. Start clearing "our house".
    Hi there - Our lovely AG Martha Coakley made that statement while debating Scott Brown (R) in a special election for the US Senate Seat formerly occupied by the late Ted Kennedy (D). I was watching the debate on TV and was speechless - this is not some sound bite taken out of context, but a direct quote.

    Thankfully she lost the US Senate election, but unfortunately is keeping her AG post. For now anyway.

    So yeah. There definitely needs to be some housecleaning here in Mass. Scott Brown's election made me hopeful. Since moving here I've felt that the majority of folks really have pretty conservative, common-sense views. BUT..the bleeding heart liberals squawl so LOUD...are very diligent about showing up to vote...and have been very good at convincing everyone that they are the majority.

    I'm interested in seeing the results of the next election.
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    I lived in Santa Clara County. Forget it there unless you're rich.

    'Nuff said.

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    Re: Taliban and Mass. There were no Taliban that I heard of, but there were al-Qaeda. When we moved out of Chestnut Hill (Boston moderately distant suburb) we stayed in the motel used by some of the active implementers of 9/11.

    Just to verify - Mass gun laws both suck and are unclear. I needed a permit just to own guns. Could not carry unless to a range, in the trunk, completely wrapped in duct tape and with the bullets pulled from ammunition and replaced only at the range.

    Completely unclear that the permit to own did not cover pistols. No notification of expiry and I missed renewal by about a month. When I filled out the renewal form they wanted me to bring all of my guns into the police station for them to hold until my renewal came in. No doubt heaped on a pile somewhere. Had to store most of my stuff in PA for 10 years when I moved there. As I recollect (it has been quite awhile) sling shots and bb guns were considered firearms. You could (I believe) transport throwing size rocks without a permit; but not if they were carried more that 7 rocks at a time.

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