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  1. Quote Originally Posted by tag1737 View Post
    It's not required here in NY. I've been stopped a few times and have notified each time. I keep my ccw permit right next to my drivers license and hand them both to the officer. I say nothing about a gun. Each time I was thanked.
    Seems to me that saying "I have a gun" or "I'm armed " is the wrong way to start off with a Leo.
    Handing him a valid ccw permit lets him know you are authorized to carry and avoids any misinterpretation of the "I have a gun" statement.
    This sounds like an excellent method to me. I have to imagine that in most jurisdictions, the officer will have been notified by their dispatcher if one of the owners of the vehicle has a CHL, so likely they'll already know. But as the Ohio tape proves, in some cases the notification from dispatch comes far later. A simple "here are my licenses", where one is your CHL, strikes me as a way to get the point across without making the officer immediately defensive by you using the word "gun" (or "firearm", "sidearm", whatever. My preferred term when speaking to law enforcement is "sidearm".)

    I've never been pulled over while carrying, so I've never had to put it in practice. But my plan before was to politely notify, advising of the CHL first, then the weapon. "Officer, I am a Concealed Handgun Licensee, and I am currently carrying." Pause to give the officer time to process that and reply if they felt necessary. If no reply, then I would tell them where it is and offer to remove it or let them remove it. Now that I've read tag's idea, I'll go for that. A simple hand-over of the license with my driver's license, and that's it unless the officer brings it up.

    As for "having to say violates 5th Amendment", well, since you're not doing anything illegal, it's not self-incrimination to insist that you inform, it's just obnoxious. :-P (IANAL, of course. And glad to live in a "no notification required" state.) There are many other ways we can be "compelled" to provide non-incriminating information or be charged with obstruction or similar, I see this as no different. Obnoxious, unnecessary, but unfortunately legal.

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  3. Things are different where I live. The local police chief would probably throw me in jail if he found out I WAS NOT carrying.

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by fudo View Post
    I also live in Oklahoma, My experience is the same as yours. Having said that, if I were a police officer I would assume that everyone is carrying and be appropriately cautious. So the requirement to notify is superfluous, in my opinion. I DO, however have a huge problem with police officers who take your weapon from you during an encounter. My gun is no threat to any officer and my desire to keep my weapon under my control and not surrender it to someone who is going to attempt to unload it out on the street is equal to his desire to go home at the end of his shift. For his safety he wants to take my weapon, but he wouldn't let me take his weapon for my safety.
    I have to agree with that. The incident I had with my "townie" trooper was reason enough to want to get the "Ya gots to tell 'em!" Law stricken from the books.

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  5. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Hurtley View Post
    This sounds like an excellent method to me. I have to imagine that in most jurisdictions, the officer will have been notified by their dispatcher if one of the owners of the vehicle has a CHL, so likely they'll already know. But as the Ohio tape proves, in some cases the notification from dispatch comes far later. A simple "here are my licenses", where one is your CHL, strikes me as a way to get the point across without making the officer immediately defensive by you using the word "gun" (or "firearm", "sidearm", whatever. My preferred term when speaking to law enforcement is "sidearm".)
    Bold: this practice should also be removed. Why do they need to be "warned" about a permit holder?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Bold: this practice should also be removed. Why do they need to be "warned" about a permit holder?
    Especially since there would be no evidence to suggest that the registered owner of the vehicle is even IN the vehicle at the time, let alone driving!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Bold: this practice should also be removed. Why do they need to be "warned" about a permit holder?
    With any luck, officers will learn that this means that the driver is a generally responsible person who has passed a background check, and will treat the driver nicer than a random unknown... (Yeah, and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.)

  8. #57
    I live in Ohio so it is a must inform for me. In Ohio when the Leo runs your plate it flags that you are a ccw holder so he already knows when he approaches the car that you could be leagaly carrying. Therefore if he should discover your gun it should not be a surprise to him. My biggest problem with must inform is that for me concealed means nobody is aware you have it. Therefore most of my friends don't even know I have a ccw or that I carry a gun. The one and only time I was stopped while carrying the Leo didn't seem to care in the slightest when I informed him but boy was my passenger shocked and surprised. It was quite a conversation afterwards and unfortunately now one more person who knows I have a ccw and carry. I guess if there was no warning to the Leo in advance I would be all for must inform but since they know before they even get out of the car then they should just assume you are carrying. To me all the must inform currently accomplishes is letting everyone in your car know and Like I said before in my opinion the more people that know you have a gun then the less it is concealed.

  9. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by sszakacs View Post
    I live in Ohio so it is a must inform for me. In Ohio when the Leo runs your plate it flags that you are a ccw holder .
    Flags you like you're a felon.

  10. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    Flags you like you're a felon.
    But if you are a felon, you can't get a CCW permit.

  11. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    But if you are a felon, you can't get a CCW permit.
    What I meant was...flags you like someone who is "Wanted"...

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