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    Quote Originally Posted by Horkos View Post
    The question was in relation to passengers in a vehicle. "What if" senerios can be played all day long. If a dude steps foot in my truck or my home and doesn't tell me he's carrying, there will be an issue. And all this cop hating B.S. is starting to piss me off. Yes, there are bad cops. But there a greater majority good than bad. I would sooner trust a good cop who follows the law and is professional and respectful when doing his job. Who doesn't believe in my right to carry, than half the keyboard crackpots that vomit their self proclaimed expertise here. There has to be a balance. I'm not talking about being a political moderate. I'm a whole hearted conservative. But I am also an adult. And all this "authority is bad" crap is stupid. There is more drama here than at a teenage girl sleep over. The crap we go trhough as legal carry citizens may be tragic. But thats no excuse to act like bunch whiny grade school children. Barry sucks, most of the government sucks, some cops suck, all this crap were already know. Quite whining about it and do something. Support and appreciate those in authority that do the right thing. Just because onedog bites you, are you going to say all dogs are dangerous man eaters and should be put down. No, of course not. It makes absolutly no sense to hide the fact that you are legally carrying a firearm from the law.
    Until proven different in a court of law. That LEO is at that moment in the right no matter what. Or at least that should be your perspective when handling the situation. Whats that saying..."you might beat the charges but you can't beat the ride down". If the cop wantsto make a big deal. Be respectful, curtious, and complient, make some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show. If you are wronged, then you've got something to ***** about. You expect everybody in the country who doesn't know you to trust you with a firearm, to give you the benefit of the doubt. But everytime the opportunity rises you pounce on cops. Judging all cops evil gun grabbers and racist even before the stroy ends. This and a few other issue of stupidity are to becoming to much for me. This was supposed to be a place to enjoy jaw jacken with others about my passion. There's just to much stupid in here, I can't breath. To some I say thanks to others I say good riddens.
    Thanks defender. Horkos, with all due respect, please sit back and take a breath. I wasn't saying anything bad about cops in this thread. My post related to telling the driver if you are armed or not. I only have a few friends and family members that know I carry. Almost no one besides my wife knows if I am carrying in a vehicle or not.

    I am glad you vented how you feel about others opinions on police. But that's what they are, opinions, and we are allowed to differ from your opinion. I have a totally different look on LEO's. You will never change what happened in my life involving them. I completely disagree on your view, but I respect it and will not get angry. Because this thread has nothing to do with good/bad cop shinanigans, I won't go any further on that topic.

    I say follow the law. If you want to voluntarily give up your rights, in respect for the officer, that is completely fine. I will give notice as a passenger when it is law, or if and when they address me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    This right here.

    Of the 10 states that require notification, it all depends on how the statute is written. I know some say "when addressed by the officer"...others, OH specifically, says driver AND passengers most immediately notify.
    Ohio has no ambiguity to the law - if there are 14 CCW people in an RV, you better all be throwing your carry permits out the window at the officer as he approaches the driver window!! Any person in the vehicle doesn't notify immediately, he is in trouble.

    As far as a state where you don't need to notify, think about it: You jump into a car for a short ride to a job site or a friend's house, you have no idea what the driver thinks about guns, and, quite frankly, you have made it a principal of your life to not show or discuss your weapon with anyone, save an LEO that you must. So why would you all of a sudden stop the guy before he opens his door and say, "Hey, before you drive me anywhere, I have to tell you - I carry a concealed firearm. I thought you should know because if you get pulled over, you'll need to tell the cop that I've got a firearm on me." Are you kidding? this is waaaaay TMI!!! The driver may have just met you, but now he knows stuff about you that you didn't really want him to know. He may tell others, which you also didn't want, because you don't know if he can keep a secret to save his life.

    There are many, many reasons to be concealed, and we all have friends that we love dearly but we would never tell them a secret because we know they would never be able to keep a secret no matter what. So I think it's best to keep your concealed truly concealed, unless it becomes necessary to reveal it at an actual stop.
    Edmund Burke: “The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.” – 1784 speech. Taken from Founding Fathers Notes. "The unarmed man is not just defenseless -- he is also contemptible." Machiavelli

  4. I don't trust a cop any more than I trust any other stranger. I can't see how my carrying a weapon has anything to do with a common traffic stop if I'm just a passenger. No booze, no dope, no need for the cop to even talk to me and darn sure no reason for me(an honest citizen who went through the whole process of getting a CCW permit) to volunteer confidential information. No traffic violation should give the cop any right to ask for anything except the drivers information and/or vehicle registration. If the police want to treat me as just another bad guy they haven't caught yet, I'm going to treat them like they're the bottom of the turd pile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanimator View Post
    In Ohio, EVERYBODY has to notify, and INDIVIDUALLY.
    And that seems to be working out well.
    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." T. Jefferson

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    Assuming that this is a normal traffic stop I will not notify unless required to do so by law. If I am a passenger and the LEO does not address me I am not going to do anything to get anyone excited. If the officer directly addresses me or asks me to exit the vehicle for any reason - then I will notify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horkos View Post
    I would sooner trust a good cop who follows the law and is professional and respectful when doing his job. Who doesn't believe in my right to carry, than half the keyboard crackpots that vomit their self proclaimed expertise here.
    I don't trust ANYBODY who wants a monopoly on the means of armed force. I never have and I never will. Almost invariably they want that monopoly so that they can safely do wrong.

    A cop who doesn't believe in the Bill of Rights is by definition a BAD cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boatme98 View Post
    And that seems to be working out well.
    ...except when the cop is a deranged psychopath and starts hurling obscene death threats when you OBEY his orders NOT to notify. Hopefully, Officer Harless's impression of Dennis Hopper in "Blue Velvet" will be the stake through the heart of mandatory notification in Ohio.

    I assume you were being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefighterchen View Post
    I say follow the law. If you want to voluntarily give up your rights, in respect for the officer, that is completely fine. I will give notice as a passenger when it is law, or if and when they address me.
    In my experience, those who not only willingly give up their rights, but who demand that others do so, don't actually believe in rights. They're nihilists who believe in power and the ability to impose that power on others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain View Post
    Cops are human. Good cops can have bad days.
    Do I get to have bad days with cops? I didn't think so. When people do, they end up in jail... and often tazed, pepper sprayed, beaten or shot.

    "Good cops" don't get to have UNLAWFUL days. When they do, they become BAD cops and criminals. They need to no longer be cops AT ALL, good OR bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TekGreg View Post
    Ohio has no ambiguity to the law - if there are 14 CCW people in an RV, you better all be throwing your carry permits out the window at the officer as he approaches the driver window!!
    Actually, in Ohio that wouldn't be considered lawful notification. It must be VERBAL. Note that the victim in Officer Harless's psychotic break had his CHL IN HIS HAND, and that was ignored as studiously as his attempts to verbally notify.

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