do you have to carry a double action pistol cocked??
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    do you have to carry a double action pistol cocked??

    guy at local range was argueing that a semi auto pistol double action needs to be cocked and on safety?? is this true that there is a specific way you need to carry your weapon?

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  3. I will not venture so far as to say that he is wrong outright. But he may be confused. Double action means that the trigger both cocks AND drops the hammer. Double action pistols as a rule do not need to be "cocked and locked". In fact there are many double action pistols which CANNOT be cocked and locked as the safety serves double duty as a decocking device. Most Double Action Only (DAO) pistols cannot be carried this way either as the hammer simply cannot be locked back. Therefore double action pistols are the LEAST likely to require being carried this way.

    It may be he had confused his terms. Single action pistols such as 1911 style pistols ARE designed to be carried "cocked and locked" as that is the safest way to carry them. He may have meant SINGLE action semi automatic pistols should be carried "cocked and locked"

    If it was a simple matter of confusion of terms, a gentle correction should suffice. If your freind at the range insists that double action pistols MUST be carried this way, I would hand him an (unloaded) M-9 Berretta and ask him to demonstrate his technique.
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    I had a Walther P5, which is double action on the first shot, then single action on subsequent shots. It had no safety. It did, though have a decocking lever, but that was not a safety.
    Charlie

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    Even after I cock my Glock it is always on safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Mustang View Post
    I will not venture so far as to say that he is wrong outright. But he may be confused. Double action means that the trigger both cocks AND drops the hammer. Double action pistols as a rule do not need to be "cocked and locked". In fact there are many double action pistols which CANNOT be cocked and locked as the safety serves double duty as a decocking device. Most Double Action Only (DAO) pistols cannot be carried this way either as the hammer simply cannot be locked back. Therefore double action pistols are the LEAST likely to require being carried this way.

    It may be he had confused his terms. Single action pistols such as 1911 style pistols ARE designed to be carried "cocked and locked" as that is the safest way to carry them. He may have meant SINGLE action semi automatic pistols should be carried "cocked and locked"

    If it was a simple matter of confusion of terms, a gentle correction should suffice. If your freind at the range insists that double action pistols MUST be carried this way, I would hand him an (unloaded) M-9 Berretta and ask him to demonstrate his technique.
    I would add to this that semi-automatic pistols operate in a variety of ways. Some are double-action on the first shot, with the hammer being cocked by the action of the slide for subsequent shots. Some are double-action only, with a long trigger pull which cocks and drops the hammer (or striker) to fire each shot. Some are single-acton only, with the hammer having to be manually cocked before the first shot can be fired. Some have safeties on the side. Some have trigger-mounted safeties. Some even have NO safety.

    Consult the manual for YOUR specific firearm, and consult a qualified instructor or your local gun dealer if you have questions. Once you have a thorough understanding of how YOUR firearm works, the best mode of carry should be evident.
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    One further note - there is a LOT of debate (smoke and hot air) over how to best carry the 1911-style pistol.

    One school of thought says to carry it "cocked and locked" - IE with a round in the chamber, hammer cocked back. In this mode of carry, you have two actions from draw to bang. 1) Click safety off. 2) Squeeze trigger.

    The other school of thought says to carry it "hammer down" Which means you have two actions from draw to bang. 1) Cock hammer. 2) Squeeze trigger.

    The debate rages on.

    This is why I like my revolvers and my M&P 45 (which has a trigger-mounted safety). ONE ACTION from draw to bang. (Squeeze trigger. Repeat if necessary.)
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    I know numerous people who carry 1911's including me, I don't know ANYONE who carries a 1911 that advocates carrying a 1911 in condition 2 (hammer down, round in chamber).
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    A glock is not any better than a revolver pull the trigger the weapon will discharge.

  10. Mine's a DAO, safety-less, internal-hammer. I have no say in the matter. If a round is chambered, pull and it fires.

    To me, if the primary purpose of you carrying is to have instantly-available self-defense, then at WORST, the weapon should be able to be pulled from its holster and be fireable by the time you have it on target, with no "thought" needed. If it has a safety that requires a second hand to disable, it's defeating the purpose. If it requires being cocked, and you don't holster it cocked, it's defeating the purpose. A grip safety, sure. A safety that you can flick as you are drawing, fine. If the weapon is a SAO that is safe to holster cocked, great. But if it's a SAO with a side safety that requires your second hand to reach and disable, then it's useless when it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillip Gain View Post
    One further note - there is a LOT of debate (smoke and hot air) over how to best carry the 1911-style pistol.

    One school of thought says to carry it "cocked and locked" - IE with a round in the chamber, hammer cocked back. In this mode of carry, you have two actions from draw to bang. 1) Click safety off. 2) Squeeze trigger.

    The other school of thought says to carry it "hammer down" Which means you have two actions from draw to bang. 1) Cock hammer. 2) Squeeze trigger.

    The debate rages on.

    This is why I like my revolvers and my M&P 45 (which has a trigger-mounted safety). ONE ACTION from draw to bang. (Squeeze trigger. Repeat if necessary.)
    On the 1911 Series 70; Hammer down on a chambered round could be a bad thing. Dropped on the muzzle end it could fire... Same if it falls on the hammer. Safer to carry cocked and locked... Also if in the process of thumbing back the hammer it slips away from your thumb before the half cock position, it could go bang...

    Series 80 has the firing pin block and will prevent the pin from protruding from the breech face unless the trigger is pulled. Much safer design to carry with a round in the chamber in either of the manners described..

    I have a Colt Officer's ACP Series 80 and carry it when the mood strikes me. I choose to carry it in condition 1 (loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety on) For the most part it's the M&P40c (warm to hot) or the M&P45 (cool to cold)... It has 3 safeties: Brain, trigger articulated passive safety, firing pin block.

    Where in MA? What type of instruction? NRA cert? PM is fine.. Thanks...
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