This Bill has also been fixed to where it can be amended to make it even worse. Had received an email about this being voted on very soon in the house. so I called my Congressman to make sure he knew that I and a lot of other Texans did not want him voting for this Bill. And needed to do everything he could to persuade anyone else that the states don't need the feds in our business.
Perhaps you can first explain to us why you think it does NOT violate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunkbeater
Let's see, ignore the law, and then go to jail after an expensive court date. Hmm. Doesn't sound all that appealing to me. Go ahead and die for your "beliefs" but don't expect any kudo's. The American public is too far gone for a sweeping change to Constitutional law. We have to take back our rights the way we lost them, a little bit at at time. But, we have die hard purists that want to stand in the way of that. And no, I don't believe your bravado.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axeanda45
Sorry, but my property rights reign on my property. If you want to do something I don't want on my property, you will not or you will leave, or you will go to jail for trespass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axeanda45
You made the claim, you need to back it up. I think you are wrong. Can you convince otherwise or are you going to just try to make your claim someone else's responsibility to explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Axeanda45
Sigh....Quote:
Originally Posted by maybejim
If you took your head out long enough to think a little, you might possibly figure something out.....
Like what it is that I said in that post you just quoted...
Allow me. Ill simplify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axeanda45:239254Perhaps you can first explain to us why you think it does NOT violate it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunkbeater
The 2A affirms the right to keep and bear arms.
The 10A states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (which the 14A is a delegated power), nor prohibited by it to the states (again the 14A IS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS AGREED ON BY 2/3s of the SENATE, the POTUS and 3/4ths of the STATES.....the rest of the amendment doesn't matter because the 14A is a delegated power.
The 14A affirms that, "No state shall make or enforce any law that abridges the privileges or immunities of a citizen of the united states" This grants Congress the power to overrule a state law that violates our rights.
They can use the power only for our benefit, so all this nonsense about them taking control is just that. If people want to get bent out of shape, do it over the commerce clause, the one they really have bastardized to control so many things they shouldnt. They ALREADY have self granted sweeping power, NICS check, Brady Bill, etc.
For once those pricks in Congress are reading it right and implementing a power delegated properly.
Is it your name in the post I quoted?Quote:
Originally Posted by maybejim
Did I direct the post to you?
No? I didnt think so....
If you want to prove me wrong, go for it, I will be right here waiting (not really, but I will check periodically to see if you can come up with anything other than your usual drivel)
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Originally Posted by maybejim
What in the hell makes you think I would ever want to go to your property? I try to stay as far away as I can from people like you....
BTW, WHERE in my post did I say I/we have the right to "trespass"? Dont read so much into things.... You would have much less friction here if you didnt....
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Originally Posted by Unfettered Might
Your argument (which still fails to go deep enough, to the foundation...) is IGNORING the FACT that this is still legislation about Firearms and the Bearing of such..... which the GOVT is PROHIBITED to have anything at all to do with..... Yet your insistence that this legislation which will FORCE the States to adhere to another States UNCONSTITUTIONAL infringement (this is where the 10th comes in)is actually NOT an infringement is a joke to me, sorry.
The 10th has a little phrase that you are IGNORING that say's "nor prohibited by it" what do you think that means? Here is a hint: Un-Constitutional = Prohibited, PERIOD.....
"The 14A affirms that, "No state shall make or enforce any law that abridges the privileges or immunities of a citizen of the united states" This grants Congress the power to overrule a state law that violates our rights."
Again, Congress does NOT have ANY "power" when it comes to firearms, period, end of story, no matter how you try to present it, it is STILL a "law" that will have something to do with something they can have NOTHING to do with.....
Now, IF they got some smarts, and some balls, the COULD use the 14th to ABOLISH ALL STATES FIREARMS LAWS... That would be a valid use of that Amendment... But that would be a fantasy for sure.... They wont ever give up the power they have stolen without a fight...