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  1. This Bill has also been fixed to where it can be amended to make it even worse. Had received an email about this being voted on very soon in the house. so I called my Congressman to make sure he knew that I and a lot of other Texans did not want him voting for this Bill. And needed to do everything he could to persuade anyone else that the states don't need the feds in our business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkbeater View Post
    Exactly how does this bill violate the 10th amendment? Maybe you should read exactly what that amendment says.
    Perhaps you can first explain to us why you think it does NOT violate it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    I think you have missed or not thought of another aspect to this... you can simply refuse to obey those UnConstitutional "laws" themselves.....

    If enough of us do so... then the "law" will no longer have any "teeth"...

    I am not advocating flaunting it in the face of some thug with a badge... but standing up for what is right has always had some risks involved.....

    I have made a decision that may get me killed one day... Not that I want that to happen, but I will NOT tolerate my "Rights" to be stepped on, period.......

    In today's court system, where 99% of the time the "state" wins.... What other choice have they left those who will not back up one more inch? Think about it.... If I know that I will lose even before they attempt to arrest me.......... What other choices do I have? Not many.....

    Yet I am actually willing to die for my beliefs... are they?

    Read my signature if you are having trouble following along.... (but please do not think I am advocating anything like murder, as I am explicitly not.. Murder is always wrong, even when you have a badge on your chest...self-defense on the other hand is entirely "lawful" even if THEY think it isnt...)

    If there is ANY hope for this country, many more will have to make this type of decision for themselves.... I just happen to be one that has made it before you have... It is PAST time for real Americans to "man up"
    Let's see, ignore the law, and then go to jail after an expensive court date. Hmm. Doesn't sound all that appealing to me. Go ahead and die for your "beliefs" but don't expect any kudo's. The American public is too far gone for a sweeping change to Constitutional law. We have to take back our rights the way we lost them, a little bit at at time. But, we have die hard purists that want to stand in the way of that. And no, I don't believe your bravado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    cmhbob, I promise you that you (I am assuming here what I think your views are, based on what you wrote) will NOT like what I have to say about "property rights"........ Maybe you should do a search here on "business property" to see what my views are.....

    A little primer for ya: My personal (Constitutional/BOR) Rights do NOT end or disappear on "your" physical property, end of discussion.......

    PS... I have now posted in the "should a felon..." thread, enjoy.........
    Sorry, but my property rights reign on my property. If you want to do something I don't want on my property, you will not or you will leave, or you will go to jail for trespass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45 View Post
    Perhaps you can first explain to us why you think it does NOT violate it?
    You made the claim, you need to back it up. I think you are wrong. Can you convince otherwise or are you going to just try to make your claim someone else's responsibility to explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    Let's see, ignore the law, and then go to jail after an expensive court date. Hmm. Doesn't sound all that appealing to me. Go ahead and die for your "beliefs" but don't expect any kudo's. The American public is too far gone for a sweeping change to Constitutional law. We have to take back our rights the way we lost them, a little bit at at time. But, we have die hard purists that want to stand in the way of that. And no, I don't believe your bravado.
    Sigh....

    If you took your head out long enough to think a little, you might possibly figure something out.....
    Like what it is that I said in that post you just quoted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeanda45:239254
    Quote Originally Posted by Drunkbeater View Post
    Exactly how does this bill violate the 10th amendment? Maybe you should read exactly what that amendment says.
    Perhaps you can first explain to us why you think it does NOT violate it?
    Allow me. Ill simplify.

    The 2A affirms the right to keep and bear arms.

    The 10A states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (which the 14A is a delegated power), nor prohibited by it to the states (again the 14A IS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS AGREED ON BY 2/3s of the SENATE, the POTUS and 3/4ths of the STATES.....the rest of the amendment doesn't matter because the 14A is a delegated power.

    The 14A affirms that, "No state shall make or enforce any law that abridges the privileges or immunities of a citizen of the united states" This grants Congress the power to overrule a state law that violates our rights.

    They can use the power only for our benefit, so all this nonsense about them taking control is just that. If people want to get bent out of shape, do it over the commerce clause, the one they really have bastardized to control so many things they shouldnt. They ALREADY have self granted sweeping power, NICS check, Brady Bill, etc.

    For once those pricks in Congress are reading it right and implementing a power delegated properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    You made the claim, you need to back it up. I think you are wrong. Can you convince otherwise or are you going to just try to make your claim someone else's responsibility to explain?
    Is it your name in the post I quoted?

    Did I direct the post to you?

    No? I didnt think so....

    If you want to prove me wrong, go for it, I will be right here waiting (not really, but I will check periodically to see if you can come up with anything other than your usual drivel)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
    Sorry, but my property rights reign on my property. If you want to do something I don't want on my property, you will not or you will leave, or you will go to jail for trespass.

    What in the hell makes you think I would ever want to go to your property? I try to stay as far away as I can from people like you....

    BTW, WHERE in my post did I say I/we have the right to "trespass"? Dont read so much into things.... You would have much less friction here if you didnt....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfettered Might View Post
    Allow me. Ill simplify.

    The 2A affirms the right to keep and bear arms.

    The 10A states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (which the 14A is a delegated power), nor prohibited by it to the states (again the 14A IS AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS AGREED ON BY 2/3s of the SENATE, the POTUS and 3/4ths of the STATES.....the rest of the amendment doesn't matter because the 14A is a delegated power.

    The 14A affirms that, "No state shall make or enforce any law that abridges the privileges or immunities of a citizen of the united states" This grants Congress the power to overrule a state law that violates our rights.

    They can use the power only for our benefit, so all this nonsense about them taking control is just that. If people want to get bent out of shape, do it over the commerce clause, the one they really have bastardized to control so many things they shouldnt. They ALREADY have self granted sweeping power, NICS check, Brady Bill, etc.

    For once those pricks in Congress are reading it right and implementing a power delegated properly.

    Your argument (which still fails to go deep enough, to the foundation...) is IGNORING the FACT that this is still legislation about Firearms and the Bearing of such..... which the GOVT is PROHIBITED to have anything at all to do with..... Yet your insistence that this legislation which will FORCE the States to adhere to another States UNCONSTITUTIONAL infringement (this is where the 10th comes in)is actually NOT an infringement is a joke to me, sorry.

    The 10th has a little phrase that you are IGNORING that say's "nor prohibited by it" what do you think that means? Here is a hint: Un-Constitutional = Prohibited, PERIOD.....



    "The 14A affirms that, "No state shall make or enforce any law that abridges the privileges or immunities of a citizen of the united states" This grants Congress the power to overrule a state law that violates our rights."

    Again, Congress does NOT have ANY "power" when it comes to firearms, period, end of story, no matter how you try to present it, it is STILL a "law" that will have something to do with something they can have NOTHING to do with.....

    Now, IF they got some smarts, and some balls, the COULD use the 14th to ABOLISH ALL STATES FIREARMS LAWS... That would be a valid use of that Amendment... But that would be a fantasy for sure.... They wont ever give up the power they have stolen without a fight...

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