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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by TruckTurner68 View Post
    Further down in the article is a myth vs truth segment check it out.
    H.R. 822: Responding to the Naysayers
    Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, H.R. 822 is now being attacked by a few self-proclaimed "gun rights" supporters with no active lobbying presence in any legislature, whose real agendas have little to do with promoting the interests of gun owners. Here are the facts about a few of their claims:

    Myth: H.R. 822 would involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for carry permits, resulting in "need" requirements, higher fees, waiting periods, national gun owner registration, or worse.

    Fact: H.R. 822 doesn't require -- or even authorize -- any such action by any federal agency. In fact, since it would amend the Gun Control Act, it would fall under a limitation within that law that authorizes "only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out" the GCA's provisions. No federal rules or regulations would be needed to implement H.R. 822, which simply overrides certain state laws.

    Myth: H.R. 822 would destroy permitless carry systems such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.

    Fact: H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states' laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.

    Myth: If H.R. 822 moved through the legislative process, it would be subject to anti-gun amendments.

    Truth: By this logic, neither the NRA nor any other pro-gun group should ever promote any pro-gun reform legislation. But inaction isn't an option for those of us who want to make positive changes for gun owners. Instead, we know that by careful vote counting and use of legislative procedure, anti-gun amendments can be avoided or defeated.
    I still don't see anything about NJ....

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  3. #12
    Vermont's permitless system answers your question about arm pit country. IE nonresident permits will be honored by other states. In other words Fla nonresident permits are deodorant for the armpit of Skervey Jersey!

  4. #13
    Got it...

    Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.
    A resident of VT could get a permit from another state to carry in any state (except IL) OTHER than VT.

    A resident of NJ could get a permit from another state to carry in any state (except IL) OTHER than NJ.

    Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

    ‘(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--

    ‘(1) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or

    ‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

  5. #14

    Yep U got it!!

    Look out arm pit! Here comes some 2a protection!!

  6. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by TruckTurner68 View Post
    Yep U got it!! Look out arm pit! Here comes some 2a protection!!
    But what I posted in #13 doesn't jive with what you posted in the OP.

    If I live in Nj (The ranking arm pit of the world) and have an out of state permit will I be able to carry in Stirsey? Yes

  7. #16
    Knowlege is the principlr thing, but with all thy getting get understanding........

    Everyone else understood.....

  8. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by TruckTurner68 View Post
    Knowlege is the principlr thing, but with all thy getting get understanding........

    Everyone else understood.....
    So then maybe someone else that understood it could explain it to me.

  9. #18
    If such a measure were to pass on the federal level, it would not surprise me if the states with restrictive gun laws would revoke their laws regarding carry permits prior to the enactment of the law, in response to the federal law. This would be their way of keeping their status quo as long as they could. Granted, I would assume that some states would have enough voting power to overturn such measures, but it would take time.

    This would be my answer to the New Jersey question, because states like New Jersey will fight tooth and nail to find law loopholes or legal countermeasures to HR822. I'm not saying New Jersey would be correct in doing so, I am just assuming that this would be a response given what I know about their political climate.

    Carry permits have a long way to go before they are on the same legal plane as driver's licenses.

  10. LBJ quote

    "You do not examine legislation in light of its benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and harms it would cause if improperly administered."
    Lyndon Johnson

    The bill in its current form is good, but once the feds get involved they will want to take greater and greater control.

    Do not get fooled into the short term benefits. As a general rule there is no good federal involvement.

    This bill is a VERY BAD idea.

  11. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by father-of-three View Post
    If such a measure were to pass on the federal level, it would not surprise me if the states with restrictive gun laws would revoke their laws regarding carry permits prior to the enactment of the law, in response to the federal law. This would be their way of keeping their status quo as long as they could. Granted, I would assume that some states would have enough voting power to overturn such measures, but it would take time.

    This would be my answer to the New Jersey question, because states like New Jersey will fight tooth and nail to find law loopholes or legal countermeasures to HR822. I'm not saying New Jersey would be correct in doing so, I am just assuming that this would be a response given what I know about their political climate.

    Carry permits have a long way to go before they are on the same legal plane as driver's licenses.
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