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    Winston Churchill said it all. "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains". Leaving aside the anarchist rabble rousers at these protests, the younger crowd, who have always had mommy and daddy take care of them as they attend our ever-reaching government schools, are spoiled rotten stupid kids who think they know everything when, in fact, they know nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Winston Churchill said it all. "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has not heart and any man over 30 who is not a conservative, has no brains". Leaving aside the anarchist rabble rousers at these protests, the younger crowd, who have always had mommy and daddy take care of them as they attend our ever-reaching government schools, are spoiled rotten stupid kids who think they know everything when, in fact, they know nothing.
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    Spoiled rotten trust fund kid.

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    Then we hear about the GROSS Corporate profits...... how tiring. You do realize that large oil firms typically "turn" in the neighborhood of 5-6 cents of profit per gallon of sales. IIRC, The Fed Gov't's "take" is roughly 3 times that amount..... then we toss in the individual States' "take". ... and we try to "pin" high fuel prices on the oil companies?
    Your facts are off, GG. You're buying the statistics that the oil companies are selling.

    In the USA, you're looking at an average pre-tax profit of around 10% - about $0.35 for every gallon sold (based on a conservative $3.50 per gallon wholesale rate...gas stations add about $0.02 - $0.03 per gallon to that).

    After-tax profit is around 8% - or $0.28 per gallon.

    That doesn't take into account the sales abroad, where gasoline is considerably higher. And I don't think it takes into account other oil sales either, such as motor oil, heating oil, industrial lubricants, and the like.

    In regard to the government's take, here is a quote directly from my source:

    "Unfortunately, there’s no real simple answer," says Lucian Pugliaresi, president of the Energy Policy Research Foundation, which conducts economic analyses of energy issues and is supported by oil companies. It depends on when the gasoline was purchased. "If you bought it right now, I’d say the government is making more." If the gasoline was purchased a month ago or last year, that may not have been the case. And the answer further depends on what type of company the question refers to. Refineries, Pugliaresi says, are hurting right now. "If you’re an independent refinery, the answer is definitely they’re making a lot less than the government."

    So, to the question of whether motorists pay more per gallon to the government than to oil-company profits, we can say only this: The answer depends on the state in which the fuel is purchased, the company that produced it and sold it, and when the motorist bought it.

    Source: FactCheck.org : Gasoline Tax Profits

    So it seems to me, provided all the facts are accurate, that states' governments and federal government together are making about the same amount of profit on gasoline as the oil company itself.

    And the point I've been trying to hammer home, is that Big Corporations (NOT ALL CORPORATIONS) and politicians are in collusion with each other. This would seem to point to that conclusion, don't you think??
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    A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.
    --- Thomas Jefferson (1801)

    Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.
    --- Daniel Webster (1782-1852)

    The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government --- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.
    --- Patrick Henry

    The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect the care of it? Well what if he neglect the care of his health or his estate, which would more nearly relate to the state. Will the magistrate make a law that he not be poor or sick? Laws provide against injury from others; but not from ourselves. God himself will not save men against their wills.
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    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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    The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.
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    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
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    The Constitution only guarantees the American people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
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    It would be thought a hard government that should tax its people one tenth part.
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    I cannot undertake to lay my finger upon an article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.
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    Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.
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    With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.
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    What worries and saddens me most about all of this is that there are so many people that are so willing to cast away the America that we love and cast us into a new socialist government when we have seen so many socialist governments become abject failures time and time again all over the world. Ours has been the best and most successful form of government on earth, and yet these people, apparently with the consent of many other Americans including some here, want to cast us into a form of government that has proven an utter failure every single time it has been tried on earth. It simply boggles the mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    however, should you be involved in a shooting your computer may be seized. How will such statements be explained to a grand jury? Would they label you and indict?
    Should the time come that I feel it is prudent to take up arms, the grand juries of the country will be quite full of those who feel likewise. So I'm not terribly concerned about wtf they find on my computer.


    I agree fully. The things you state are illegal and should be prosecuted. Anti-trust prosecutions are becoming rare and big money has bought a friendly political landscape. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the health insurance market. Unfortunately the fox is guarding the henhouse. But to blame every one of use who worked at the corporate executive level is wrong. people ought not to bite the hand that (literally) feeds them.
    "rare" and "friendly political landscape" may just be the top two understatements in this discussion. And I've tried to clarify BIG corporate, not ALL corporate, in subsequent posts.

    Obviously a corporation has a responsibility to its shareholders. But it also has responsibilities to the community in which it does business, and to its employees. I believe this to be true of ANY business. But it is especially important when you're talking about a massive MNC that affects a LOT of people's lives, across several continents.
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    I'm still not entirely sure what the people who are protesting want. I'm not sure they know either. But so far, what I've gotten is that they want the government to work for the people, not the other way around. So far, what I've gotten are a lot of the same things that people say here--a lot of things on your list, Rhino. So I'm not so sure this is a liberal gathering. I think it might be a gathering of people who want Big Brother reined in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localgirl View Post
    So far, what I've gotten are a lot of the same things that people say here--a lot of things on your list, Rhino.
    Not from the interviews they've been giving and the signs they've been displaying. They basically want money to be taken from the rich and given to the poor, and they want the government to do it. It's right out of the Communist Manifesto. The people you're talking about who want Big Brother reined in and the government to work for the people are the Tea Party, and that isn't at all who's doing this Occupy Wall Street thing. The people doing Occupy Wall Street are very much espousing leftist ideology, and are now getting quite a lot of support from left wing political groups in this country.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by eXGee11 View Post
    To add context, im a political science major at a state university and im currently studying the evolution of ideologies ie, orthodox liberalism, realism, Marxism, etc.
    Not impressed..... A corporation is still an ENTITY, not a person. What bed wetting professer is indoctinating the sheeple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by localgirl View Post
    I'm still not entirely sure what the people who are protesting want. I'm not sure they know either. But so far, what I've gotten is that they want the government to work for the people, not the other way around. So far, what I've gotten are a lot of the same things that people say here--a lot of things on your list, Rhino. So I'm not so sure this is a liberal gathering. I think it might be a gathering of people who want Big Brother reined in.
    These people don't want big brother reined in they want more big brother. Look who is throwing support behind them. The unions, the democrats, the main stream media, the Hollywood crowd and the administration. All the big brother must give you a hand out because you can't do it on your own crowd.
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    What you are seeing with Occupy Wall Street, is a true Grass Roots movement as opposed to an Astro Turfed one like the Tea Party. Maybe they should rename themselves the SEA Party - Screwed Enough Already.

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