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    Death By AD

    A 5.00 pocket holster could have saved his life....


    Grocery Store Shooting: Man Shoots Self at Grocery Store - wtvr

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  3. Actually, that was a ND not an AD.

    Accidents are acts of God and are out of a mere mortal's control. Negligence is when humans do something stupid. Unless the gun was proven to have failed to work as designed, this one's on the person in control or possession of the firearm. Sad, yes, but it doesn't mean we ought to blame God for this poor fellow's poor actions.

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    The information in the article just doesn't add up. I don't pocket carry, but if he did I could see that as you are puling the pistol out of your pocket in a seated position the barrel would be pointed at your thigh. In that case the seatbelt had nothing to do with the issue. If it was in a decent holster, this would not have been possible, and if it was tucked in his waist band of his pants I don't see how the seatbelt could have engaged the trigger.

    None the less this is sad. His family must be devastated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    The information in the article just doesn't add up. I don't pocket carry, but if he did I could see that as you are puling the pistol out of your pocket in a seated position the barrel would be pointed at your thigh. In that case the seatbelt had nothing to do with the issue. If it was in a decent holster, this would not have been possible, and if it was tucked in his waist band of his pants I don't see how the seatbelt could have engaged the trigger.

    None the less this is sad. His family must be devastated.
    This discussion has been going on another board for awhile. Consider either some sort of appendix carry at about the one o'clock position, or the pistol in the lower right cargo pocket of a bdu jacket. Either way can put the trigger right there in seat belt country.

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    I pocket-carry almost all the time. I always use a pocket holster - one that covers the trigger. I don't like the pocket holsters that have a hole to allow access to the trigger even when the pistol is holstered. I also make sure that nothing else is carried in that pocket - no keys, money, crack pipe, etc.
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    Very confusing story to say the least, but I agree with warbird -- the story does not add up. I hope this will not scare the wife nor the kids later on about guns.
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    His seat belt must haunted. I use to pocket carry when I had a subcompact never had a ND. Now when I carry my Full Size the only thing the seat belt does is make it hard for me to access my firearm :( I don't know what to say about this story except something doesn't seem right.
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  9. The article makes much of the fact that he was a father, mentioning it more than once. I far as I can see its a simple case of natural selection. He failed to educate himself, or disregarded what he knew to be good practice, and he paid the price. Thankfully he didn't take anyone else out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoganbeg View Post
    The article makes much of the fact that he was a father, mentioning it more than once. I far as I can see its a simple case of natural selection. He failed to educate himself, or disregarded what he knew to be good practice, and he paid the price. Thankfully he didn't take anyone else out.
    Ahhhh yes, we all have choices and one of them is continued education. If we fail to educate ourselves and or abide by what we have supposed to have learned then we can't blame anyone but ourselves. ESPECIALLY with a loaded weapon, FATAL results WILL occur if you use the Trial & Error methodology in educating yourself with a firearm. Thank God no one else was injured/killed.
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    Either way, just another case where having a manual safety might have saved the day (life).

    (Insert usual "Glock" defender arguements here.)

    Here is a case where "accidental" trigger pressure is supposed to be the culprit. One "bad thing" goes wrong and BOOM. With an additional safety, a manual one, two things have to go wrong for the eventual BOOM.

    Without getting into yet another "safety" arguement, I will simply point out that the odds of two things going wrong in sequence to allow an unsafe condition is much less than relying on "Don't touch the trigger!" alone. While the general admonition is always to be adhered to, the cited case seems to indicate that it is not always 100% effective as a fail safe.

    Just sayin'.

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