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    Quote Originally Posted by Armed_and_Safe View Post
    Could you cite the case please? I am not questioning your word just curious to see it.

    I think I saw a case before that said the opposite. Even if the owner was there unless it was on there person the felon still had access to it. And locking it up, if it was a key lock unless the key is locked some how then the felon is in possession of the key (can keep going in circles here) and if a combination lock there is no way the felon can prove he didn't know the combination. The last part really bugged me because the felon wouldn't have to prove anything the burden of prof lies with the prosecution.

    I tried looking for the case I was reading before but could not find it, if you could point me to one that says otherwise please do so. Like I said that combination part really got to me and I couldn't believe it when I read it.
    To be honest with you I'm not going to go hunting it down. I first learned of this back in the 80s and recently read something about it again when researching something else. I'm just relating prior information. Off the top of my head I can't tell you where to look. As others have pointed out, if it's that important then a 2A lawyer should be consulted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlkraatz View Post
    I would not ask a leo. They do not seem to be that versed on the law do the lack of retraining as laws change.

    I would contact a lawyer that specializes in 2nd amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Never, ever , under any circumstance do you ask a cop for legal advice. If the answer is that important to you pay the consult fee and ask a lawyer
    Here we go again. No thread can be complete without having at least one anti-cop post...

    Apparently it is better to pay the rich (insert expletive here) lawyer some money to tell you what is good for you rather than ask our hard working boys in blue, and/ or do the research on your own if you dont get a solid response from the police. Sure not every cop is an expert on the most confusing laws, but to dismiss them as unknowing and untrustworthy is over the top.

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    As always, talk to a lawyer to make sure that you have all the legal specifics figured out. You can marry, it's just a high stakes game that you are playing and there is no margin for error.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Here we go again. No thread can be complete without having at least one anti-cop post...

    Apparently it is better to pay the rich (insert expletive here) lawyer some money to tell you what is good for you rather than ask our hard working boys in blue, or do the research on your own.
    And if the cop gives you bad information on the phone, do you REALLY think that is going to help your case in court?

    Would you ask the oil change guy at Jiffy Lube to rebuild your NASCAR racing engine for you? It's not cop bashing. It's telling the truth about what can be reasonably expected of a person given their profession. How many cases get tossed out of court because the charges were improper? You question two cops about what is legal or illegal and eventually you are going to get a differing opinion on something.

    Cops are not legal experts. That's why governments have prosecuting ATTORNEYs. The prosecuting attorney sorts out the evidence the cops give them and decide if their case has enough merit to it to go to court or not. Cops aren't legal experts - otherwise they would have to go to four years of law school to become one.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agrippakc View Post
    As always, talk to a lawyer to make sure that you have all the legal specifics figured out. You can marry, it's just a high stakes game that you are playing and there is no margin for error.
    Yeah. If I remember correctly the firearm must either stay in possession of the legal owner or be secured in a way that the felon doesn't have access to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    And if the cop gives you bad information on the phone, do you REALLY think that is going to help your case in court?

    Would you ask the oil change guy at Jiffy Lube to rebuild your NASCAR racing engine for you? It's not cop bashing. It's telling the truth about what can be reasonably expected of a person given their profession. How many cases get tossed out of court because the charges were improper? You question two cops about what is legal or illegal and eventually you are going to get a differing opinion on something.

    Cops are not legal experts. That's why governments have prosecuting ATTORNEYs. The prosecuting attorney sorts out the evidence the cops give them and decide if their case has enough merit to it to go to court or not. Cops aren't legal experts - otherwise they would have to go to four years of law school to become one.
    I never said cops are experts. However, they are required to know the laws in which they are required to enforce. Do all of them know all of the laws? No, its called being human. If cops were that bad at knowing the laws, then we would have rich scumbag lawyers riding around in patrol cars rather than police.

    I am more so advocating to do research on laws on your own. But hey this is America, and apparently we shouldnt have to do anything on our own because thats what we have "experts" for. I love "experts" telling me whats best for me, dont you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    Here we go again. No thread can be complete without having at least one anti-cop post...

    Apparently it is better to pay the rich (insert expletive here) lawyer some money to tell you what is good for you rather than ask our hard working boys in blue, and/ or do the research on your own if you dont get a solid response from the police. Sure not every cop is an expert on the most confusing laws, but to dismiss them as unknowing and untrustworthy is over the top.
    I've found that most people who dislike LEOs in general do so because a cop had the audacity to "falsely" arrest them for exercising their God-given right to sell drugs or beat their wife or drive drunk etc. etc.
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    Talk to a lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall:246473
    Quote Originally Posted by agrippakc View Post
    As always, talk to a lawyer to make sure that you have all the legal specifics figured out. You can marry, it's just a high stakes game that you are playing and there is no margin for error.
    Yeah. If I remember correctly the firearm must either stay in possession of the legal owner or be secured in a way that the felon doesn't have access to it.
    +1

    I remember coming across the same info, but I can't remember where either.

    Google is your friend and the cite shouldn't be hard to find for anyone that really wants to know.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Deserteagle View Post
    I am more so advocating to do research on laws on your own. But hey this is America, and apparently we shouldnt have to do anything on our own because thats what we have "experts" for. I love "experts" telling me whats best for me, dont you?
    I am with you on that one. The only caveat being that sometimes the courts have interpreted laws in some strange ways. If it's something not too earth shattering like "when is it OK to drive through a crosswalk with a pedestrian in it", I would say look up the law yourself and be pretty confident in what it says, and if you happen to be wrong, it's a $150 ticket.

    If it's something really important that (1) has a high potential of actually being an issue and (2) carries a high consequence of being wrong; then I would say invest in a lawyer who is supposed to have access to and be able to interpret not only what the statute itself says, but what the courts have in the past said what the statute means.

    It's up to each individual person to decide for themselves how much of (1) and (2) above applies to their situation.

    Personally, with easy access to statutes via the internet, I see no need to ask a police officer anything about what is legal or not, including "when can you drive through a crosswalk with a pedestrian in it"...which is, in Washington, RCW 46.61.235, BTW.
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

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