08-10-2012, 04:28 PM
Until they start printing them on kevlar, they're nothing more than a pre-generated legal justification for why you shot the person who violated one.
Originally Posted by NCIC105
08-10-2012, 10:29 PM
That sounds like a good reason to get one, a legal justification to shoot the guy that violated it!
08-11-2012, 08:15 AM
It's justification, NOT immunity.
Originally Posted by Dan Cox
You need to have the same elements of the threat of immediate danger of unlawful deadly force against you or another with one, as without one.
If somebody violates the proximity specifications, but merely does the chicken dance, you have no more legal justification for shooting them, than if you didn't have a restraining order.
The violation of the order, combined with an overt and immediate threat demonstrates intent.
Again, a restraining order is merely evidence of a potential threat, and evidence of intent if it's violated. It's not a magic talisman or a force field, nor is it a license to kill.
08-11-2012, 08:59 AM
"The violation of the order, combined with an overt and immediate threat demonstrates intent". Yes, I fully agree with you in that statement, well said Deanimator. The understanding of the value of the restraining order and why you want one as a demonstration, that you did everything legally possible to avoid the deadly encounter. It lends credibility to your defense, if the need were to arise, for deadly force to be used. I think you have made a good point, that every CCL holder should give consideration. It is also a valid point to say that is not just a proximity issue, but rather that the offender must have demonstrated an imminent and present danger to a person(s). That can be tricky and lead to a dangerous situation happening, like the guy that pretented that he wanted to appologize to a man for a previous fight, then stabbed him to death. This happened this year in Illinois. So, that being said... be careful! The Home page has a great article, in regards to this matter, called: Concealed Carry Training Drill Part Three. Also check into the NRA Insurance for Legal Defense, involving a self defense shooting, $125,000.00 or $250,000.00 Coverage is availabe at reasonable rates. All you have to do, is think about what has happened in Florida, the Legal costs are just the tip of the iceberg, but its an iceberg that can sink you!
08-13-2012, 10:25 AM
Write your representatives and insit they vote and pass concealed carry in Illinois.
This last year the measure was brought up on a vote and it was NARROWLY defested. They needed only FOUR MORE VOTES to make it veto proof.
Write here... that's great... write your representatives... that is even greater.
08-20-2012, 09:46 PM
UPDATE: Mclean County, States Attorney Ron Dozier has gone public in his stance to not Prosecute any FOID Card holder, who is Arrested for merely possessing a Gun on their person. Governor Quinn and A.G. Lisa Madigan are mad as Hornets. Check it out at :gunssavelives.com