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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Cops don't have to know the laws, if you bring the laws with you, a simple traffic stop should be just that, simple.
    this my friend is what everyone needs to grasp, cops arrest first and let others decide if there is to be a prosecution, so the old axiom is very true, you might beat the charge but you'll rarely beat the ride to jail. however if you have the laws printed out and ready to use you might be able to convince an ignorant cop that is harassing you that he is off the mark, and he may let you go.

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
    this my friend is what everyone needs to grasp, cops arrest first and let others decide if there is to be a prosecution, so the old axiom is very true, you might beat the charge but you'll rarely beat the ride to jail. however if you have the laws printed out and ready to use you might be able to convince an ignorant cop that is harassing you that he is off the mark, and he may let you go.
    As long as you don't come off as a smart a$$!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TroutStalker View Post
    http://www.handgunlaw.us/

    This will help. Just click on the state and it will provide you will a truncated version of that state's laws including duty to inform.
    THAT's it...I was remembering that site as concealedcarry.org, so it wasn't coming up. I knew it was out there though. Thanks.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by snatale42 View Post
    Also, assuming your name is an indication of your state (AZ?) your permit wouldn't hold reciprocity in WA. Assuming this is correct, make sure your travelling per FOPA guidelines while your there.
    Nah...phoenix the bird, not the place.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by mrjam2jab View Post
    The 10 Must Inform states: AK, AR, LA, MI, NC, NE, OH, OK, SC, TX
    Perfect! I knew somebody would have this handy. Thanks so much.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    My recommendation, print out each reciprocity agreement to every state you will be traveling through. I keep a 3-ring binder in my vehicles that have each reciprocity agreement of every state that my PA and UT permits cover (yes PA is a LTCF).

    After that, look up each state's requirements for several things: duty to inform, whether you can carry in a bar, whether you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, etc.

    This is not a MINOR thing. It's something that could give you a firearm's violation and potentially take your right away.

    Cops don't have to know the laws, if you bring the laws with you, a simple traffic stop should be just that, simple.
    Yeah, good plan. I went ahead with the AG emails after all, just to have the replies.

  8. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix182 View Post
    Yeah, good plan. I went ahead with the AG emails after all, just to have the replies.
    Missouri: No duty to declare, but if asked if you have a CCW you must present it.

  9. Not to hijack the thread, but I an driving from NY to Fl soon. My understanding there is no need to inform if gun is locked in safe unloaded and bullets are locked in a case also out of my reach. True? I have NY unrestricted and Fl and UT non resident. Saw handguns.us sites and PA and SC look like the states I must pass thru with out stopping. True?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayTea View Post
    Not to hijack the thread, but I an driving from NY to Fl soon. My understanding there is no need to inform if gun is locked in safe unloaded and bullets are locked in a case also out of my reach. True? I have NY unrestricted and Fl and UT non resident. Saw handguns.us sites and PA and SC look like the states I must pass thru with out stopping. True?
    I live in PA, and if you have a UT non-resident, it is good for PA. However, if you are taking such a trip, map out which states you will be traveling through, go to the states websites that deal with carrying a firearm and find out for YOURSELF what is YOUR responsibility in each of the states you will travel through. Generally, it is the Attorney General, but some states use a different governing body.

    Something I do is keep a three-ring binder with copies of each reciprocity agreement of the states I will be in. That way, should you get pulled over by a cop in one state, when you have a permit to carry from another state, and a driver's license in yet a third state, YOU can provide him with evidence of the law and how you are abiding by it. I guarantee, he won't know.

    Concerning "duty to inform", you will need to find out for each individual state. State law presides when it comes to firearm carry.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
    ~ Benjamin Franklin (maybe)

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    Not sure if I agree with the three ring binder but only because I doubt very seriously any cop would pay any attention to it. I think they’d arrest you and let the courts figure it out. So, Maybe the binder as a resource for you but I wouldn’t try to stick it in some cop’s face on the side of the road.

    As for checking the laws for yourself I agree 100% none of the internet lawyers who told you it was OK are going to be there on the side of the road with you.

    So, my advice is take the binder with the state laws and reciprocity agreements and make sure you’re in compliance as you cross each state line. If there is any doubt go with FOPA.

    My final advice would be unless you are legally required to do so I would say nothing about the weapon(s) to any cop I came in contact with
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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